Name: 173. How To Eat Fried Sandworms by Breaking Badness
Duration: 46 min 35 s
Description: This week Kali Fencl, Tim Helming, and Taylor Wilkes-Pierce discuss a private industry notification from the FBI along with Mandiant’s findings from a #Sandworm attack targeting Ukraine.

This week Kali Fencl, Tim Helming, and Taylor Wilkes-Pierce discuss a private industry notification from the FBI along with Mandiant’s findings from a #Sandworm attack targeting Ukraine.

173. How To Eat Fried Sandworms

In this episode of Breaking Badness, we sit down with Bruce and Heidi Potter, two of the masterminds behind ShmooCon, the legendary cybersecurity conference that ran for 20 years. They take us behind the scenes, from its hilarious bar-napkin origins to how they built a tight-knit hacker community that thrived for two decades. 

Building a Hacker Conference from Scratch: The Wild Origins of ShmooCon

Episode 202 of Breaking Badness takes a deep dive into two of the biggest cybersecurity stories of the year (so far):

● Black Basta’s Leaked Chats – A major data leak has exposed internal conversations from this notorious ransomware gang, revealing their internal struggles, ransom negotiations, and even workplace drama.

● Salt Typhoon’s Cyber Espionage – A sophisticated Chinese threat group has been caught infiltrating major U.S. telecommunications providers, raising serious concerns about national security.

Hacked Chats & Telecom Takedowns: Black Basta & Salt Typhoon

In this episode of Breaking Badness, we dive into two major cybersecurity stories: the exploitation of a VPN vulnerability by Chinese APT 41 and the newly discovered “Wall Bleed” flaw in the Great Firewall of China.

APT 41 has been using a critical VPN vulnerability to infiltrate operational technology (OT) organizations, targeting industries like aerospace and defense. Meanwhile, researchers have uncovered a flaw in China's DNS injection system, which inadvertently leaks internal data—an ironic twist for a government known for its strict internet censorship.

Join us as we break down these exploits, their impact on cybersecurity, and what they reveal about modern cyber espionage. We also discuss best practices for securing VPNs, firewall vulnerabilities, and the ethical implications of studying censorship technologies.

APT 41’s VPN Exploits & The Great Firewall’s Leaky Secrets

In this episode of Breaking Badness, host Kali Fencl welcomes Wes Young of CSIRT Gadgets and Daniel Schwalbe, CISO and head of investigations at DomainTools, dive into a recent DomainTools Investigations (DTI) analysis involving ValleyRAT and Silver Fox, and how new tools are enabling faster, more accessible analysis for junior and seasoned analysts alike. Whether you're a threat intel veteran or an aspiring analyst, this episode is packed with hard-earned lessons, technical insights, and future-forward thinking.

They also unpack the evolution of threat intelligence from early higher-ed days of wiki-scraped snort rules to today’s graph-powered AI analysis. Wes shares the origin story behind his platform AlphaHunt, how it's being used to automate and enhance threat detection, and why community sharing remains essential even in an era of advanced tooling.

From ValleyRAT to Silver Fox: How Graph-Based Threat Intel is Changing the Game

In this special DNS Masterclass episode of Breaking Badness, hosts Kali Fencl, Tim Helming, and Taylor Wilkes-Pierce take a deep dive into the Domain Name System often dubbed the backbone and battleground of the internet. From its humble beginnings with host files to its critical role in modern security, the episode unpacks DNS’s evolution, vulnerabilities, and impact on InfoSec.

DNS Masterclass: Attacks, Defenses, and the Day the Internet Was Saved

In this episode of Breaking Badness, host Kali Fencl is joined by DomainTools' Daniel Schwabe
and disinformation expert Scot Terban to uncover how modern Russian disinformation
campaigns are using domain registrars, homoglyph attacks, and generative AI to mimic
legitimate news outlets and manipulate public perception. From the eerie sophistication of
Doppelganger operations to the exploitation of domain infrastructure, this episode sheds light on how truth is being weaponized in the digital era.

We also explore how AI is accelerating the speed and scale of these attacks, and the limited
levers defenders have to push back.

How Russian Disinformation Campaigns Exploit Domain Registrars and AI

In Part 1 of this special two-part panel, the Breaking Badness podcast gathers leading
cybersecurity experts to explore the foundations of DFIR - Digital Forensics and Incident
Response. Featuring Daniel Schwalbe (DomainTools), Lesley Carhart (Dragos), David Bianco
(Splunk), and Sarah Sabotka (Proofpoint), the panel dives into what makes an effective incident
response program, why preparation is often overlooked, and how to bring technical and human
elements together during high-stakes security events.

DFIRside Chat: Lessons from the Frontlines of Incident Response

In this powerful continuation of our DFIR series, cybersecurity experts Daniel Schwalbe, David
Bianco, Lesley Carhart, and Sarah Sabotka dissect the heart of effective incident response,
containment, eradication, recovery, and lessons learned. Packed with firsthand war stories,
sharp tactical advice, and honest debates, this episode is a must-listen for anyone building or
refining their digital forensics and incident response capabilities. Tune in to learn why planning
matters, what to do (and not do) during a breach, and how to make the adversary's job harder,
one containment plan at a time.

DFIR Foundations: Real-World Lessons in Containment, Eradication, and Recovery

In this episode of Breaking Badness, the crew investigates two escalating threats in the cybercrime ecosystem: the cleverly named phishing-as-a-service platform Morphing Meerkat, and the bulletproof hosting provider Proton66, a favorite among amateur cybercriminals.

First, they dig into how Morphing Meerkat uses DNS-over-HTTPS (DoH) and clever phishing kits to evade detection. Then, they shift focus to Proton66, a Russian-based bulletproof host that shelters a new generation of low-skill attackers, including a threat actor known as "Coquettte" with ties to the Horrid Hacking group.

Inside Morphing Meerkat and Proton66: How Cybercrime Is Getting Easier

In this episode of Breaking Badness, we sit down with John Donovan of ZEDEDA to unpack the
lighter and more profound sides of cybersecurity’s biggest gatherings. From RSA’s unexpected
baby goats and vendor booth antics to BSides San Francisco’s community-driven keynote
stage, John shares personal stories, industry insights, and valuable advice on how newcomers
and veterans alike can navigate events like RSA, BSides, and DEF CON. You’ll hear how he
"hacked" his way onto the main stage, what it means to wear a “No Purchasing Authority” pin,
and why protecting your mom from scams might be more urgent than defending your enterprise.

Hacking the Stage: John Donovan on RSAC, BSides SF, and the Human Side of Cybersecurity

Where timely and relevant security meets puns and witty banter. Our goal is to keep defenders apprised of pertinent news and trends in under forty-five minutes.

173. How To Eat Fried Sandworms

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