Einar Duenger Bøhn and Jan-Ove Tuv discuss the apollonian and dionysian aspects of human beings in relation to Nietzsche's book, "The Birth of Tragedy".

Could this be why the Western world is collapsing?

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The centerpiece was a 19th century reproduction of G. F. Watts' Hope. On the shelf were a Roman bust of a boy, a bust of Aristotle, and Pallas Athena.

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Nietzsche and The Birth of Tragedy: Have we Lost the Dionysian aspect? | Einar Bøhn and Jan-Ove Tuv

Carl Korsnes and Jan-Ove Tuv sit down to talk about Scott Fitzgerald's famous novel "The Great Gatsby".

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• Making the present eternal
• Condensed storytelling and sensory descriptions
• The rich descriptions of Dickens and Fitzgerald
• Gatsby was a boy who never grew up
• Valley of ashes, broad hips and timelessness
• Killing Myrtle and Daisy’s relationship to Gatsby 
• Gatsby's obsession with recreating the past
• What is important in a story
• Gatsby or the modern Sisyphus

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The Great Gatsby by Scott Fitzgerald | Recreating the Past in a Valley of Ashes

What is it that captivates people about his paintings, what is his life project, and is philosophy the key to reach the highest achievements?
Carl Korsnes and Einar Duenger Bøhn sit down to discuss the work of Odd Nerdrum in light of his recent retrospective exhibition "You see we are blind".

Topics from the conversation:
00:00 Exhibition openings
01:12 Grotesque and depressing or hopeful and soothing?
03:20 Horrible actions beautifully depicted
09:58 Aristotle on technê: knowing why you do what you do
14:05 A painter with a vision of humanity
18:47 Contemporary painters avoid focusing on the face 
21:00 Being shaken up is only possible through a classical form 
30:11 Nerdrum's world: past, future or a different realm?
36:46 Day-to-day or timeless: newspaper articles vs. stories and myths
40:45 Nerdrum balances the concrete and the general
45:48 Not abstract and not "too realistic" / hyper realist
50:42 Being cultivated is to understand the commonality of things
57:00 Don't waste time on new books or newspapers
1:04:53 Philosophers of art should learn to draw first
1:08:20 Aristotle's approach
1:10:52 The humanist aspect of drawing
1:15:46 What are we looking at and judging accordingly
1:19:22 At its foundation, Nerdrum's work is philosophical
1:22:30 Is Nerdrum an anarchist painter?

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A World Beyond Past and Future: Odd Nerdrum's Hopeful and Soothing Vision of Humanity

Michael Diamant sheds light on what defines "classical" architecture,  and positive news about building projects. He founded the Facebook group "New Traditional Architecture", which is bringing together classically minded architects and lovers of architecture:
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01:25 Not my original ideas — I learn from what the past did right
03:30 New classical buildings spark optimism and desire to do the same 
07:35 Private donations equals classical architecture, state money equals modernism
09:13 How Michel Diamant got involved with architecture
16:31 New buildings are ugly because of modernist ideology
17:39 The modernists avoid open discussions about architecture
20:35 Against Modernism — not modern architecture
22:15 What is "classical" architecture?
25:00 Classical architecture is connected to nature and makes us calm
31:26 The relativistic modernists have hijacked all the institutions
41:33 Diamant's dream scenario: replace all modernists with classicists
44:21 Classical architecture is more environmentally friendly
53:16 The modernists are just stupid people who refuse to learn from the past
59:20 Classical architecture will win the popular opinion
1:10:37 Amateurs are more able than experts
1:12:40 Book recommendations and where to study classical architecture
1:14:30 City planning: Europe's Capitals and Leon Krier's Poundsbury
1:21:15 A wave of restoration of old buildings?
1:28:14 Preserving the material or the historical memory
1:38:14 "We are them, they are us"

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The centerpiece was a photo of the Yale Residential Colleges, 2017
Designed by Robert A.M. Stern Architects: Melissa DelVecchio, Robert A.M. Stern, Jennifer L. Stone, Graham S. Wyatt
(Image Courtesy of Robert AM Stern Architects)

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Michael Diamant on the Classical Architecture Takeover and the Utter Stupidity of the Modernists

David Molesky is a former student of Odd Nerdrum, based in North Carolina.
He is concerned with the rough manner of late Rembrandt and Titian — a painting method first employed by the Ancient Greek painter Apelles. Molesky contrasts this technique with so-called photo-realism, which he asserts leaves no room for the viewer.
But art historians typically interpret the rough technique as "modern", so whose interpretation is accurate? And can you be influenced by this manner of painting without compromising clarity of form and thus wind up as a modernist?

Topics from the conversation:
01:12 Molesky's painting "Man in the Forrest"
03:52 The Apelles palette and pre-mixing of colors
06:47 Odd Nerdrum's interest in Pompeii murals, Pliny and Apelles
10:24 Apelles' technique
12:01 Pliny establishes an ideal for painters
14:20 Titian's Flaying of Marsyas
16:57 Reflecting how peripheral vision works
21:00 Apelles' unfinished Aphrodite
26:10 Painterly vs illustrative: David Ligare, Rembrandt and Sargent
31:54 Apelles and Protogenes: A "pre-modernist" technique?
36:19 Having details too! Titian, Rembrandt and Nerdrum
38: 46 Modern art: A poor imitation of classical works? 
41:40 Recreating matter with paint 
43:40 When Nerdrum painted a scarf in one stroke
49:14 Leaving space for the viewer
55:03 Hoogstraaten on what to keep as you go along
59:48 The "Default Mode Network"
1:06:08 Rembrandt's hermaphrodite self-portrait 
1:09:27 The blind seer Tiresias (Metamorphosis and Odyssey) 
1:14:50 Rembrandt's references to Tiresias and Apelles
1:18:35 Reading Pliny as a painter makes you aware

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David Molesky on Apelles, Pliny and the Superiority of the Rough Painting Technique

In the modern age, many are confused by the dull and meaningless direction of Western culture. Can it truly be called "Western" or "culture" at all? A clear set of values are more important than ever before. That is why a painter and a composer decided to sit down to discuss two alternative solutions. The painter, Jan-Ove Tuv, argues Larry Shiner's point that Art was a deconstructive 18th century invention and that Kitsch is a game changer that can liberate classical culture from the neurosis of modernism. The composer, Martin Romberg, on the other hand, proposes the concept of "Universal Art" as the solution to our current problems, making a bridge back to Aristotle's Poetics, pointing out that Kitsch is problematic both in terms of connotation and terminology.

The discussion could be boiled down to one dilemma:
Would you rather be associated with Rothko or a garden gnome?

00:00 What is a classical work?
01:30 Original vs new meaning of Art
09:30 Universal, abstract and conservative art 
12:59 The power of words
14:11 Kitsch aligns with classical values
16:57 Do people understand what kitsch means? 
19:38 Fight for Art or abandon it? 
23:55 Kitsch: a change of connotation, not of content
25:30 Emotional reactions are not valid arguments 
27:14 The problem of communicating kitsch 
29:48 Timelessness
32:13 Classical craft survives when it is not judged as "Art" 
40:35 The craftsman is a fisherman
43:57 Immanuel Kant and the garden gnome

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"Art" or "Kitsch" as a Name for Classical Culture? | Jan-Ove Tuv & Martin Romberg

Tales and myths have become bedtime stories and Disney movies for children, but it was not always thus. Boris Koller and Jan-Ove Tuv sit down to discuss the collected stories of Brothers Grimm, their explicit content and symbolic meaning. But are the tales meant to be read as metaphors for archetypal characters and aspects of human psychology, or are they rather based on real life events that happened in a time of witches a long time ago?

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Chapter markers:
01:54 The Golden bird and the fox
06:43 Not for children! (Snow White)
13:13 Little Red Riding Hood
17:07 Older, nearly shamanistic versions
20:31 What is the meaning of gold? (Frau Holle, Iron John) 
25:06 The true, bloody story of Cinderella
32:24 More than 10.000 years old real events
36:09 Human self-domestication
38:51 The power of images 
44:55 Women eating small children 
50:45 The problems of the psychological approach 
55:28 Stick to the image, do not be original

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The Folk Tales of Brothers Grimm: Not for Children! | Boris Koller & Jan-Ove Tuv

The young draughtsman and painter from Finland has proven his talent with narrative portraits from live model. Aiming for the Classical Greek ideal, Hjalmar Hagelstam is already well-equipped, having studied painting with Odd Nerdrum and sculpture at the Florence Academy
Growing up in a country known for Sibelius and Gallen-Kallela, Hagelstam asks the following question: "Which lessons can we learn from the strange fate of 19th century Finnish painters?"
As he sees it, they were rightfully concerned with Kalevala, the native, mythical epic. However their political desire to find something "national" in it, invariably led to failure.
Making matters worse, influence from contemporary ideas of "progress" and styles like symbolism and impressionism only further removed their work from a truly timeless context.
So what makes a universal story?
And could you grip the essence of a myth by simply illustrating it?

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00:30 Introduction
01:22 Does Finnish painting exist?  
02:20 How Hagelstam got interested in painting 
05:06 The free art school and Odd Nerdrum  
07:39 What Hagelstam saw at the auction house 
09:14 FAA, storytelling and being close to nature 
13:27 Intuitive vs "rational" painting method 
17:43 Props: contemporary or timeless?  
21:34 Naturalism and symbolism — pitfalls and strengths 
28:21 Rembrandt & Greeks: Shame, forgiveness, elevation 
34:16 Empathy & drama vs "everyday" motifs  
41:47 Experience life to become a good painter?  
45:26 Munch's Sick Child and Rembrandt's Prodigal Son 
52:36 Calmness vs action and combining opposites  
58:19 "The Poor Fisherman" and The Squint Test 
1:02:39 Do not just illustrate the title 
1:06:55 One can only set a great example 
1:09:54 Recommending Florence Academy of Art?  
1:11:36 How to become more mythical in your motifs?  

This episode featured Hjalmar Hagelstam & Jan-Ove Tuv and was filmed and edited by Bork Nerdrum.
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Hjalmar Hagelstam on Odd Nerdrum, Rembrandt, Florence Academy and the Failure of Finnish Painting

What are the signifiers of an eternal image? Odd Nerdrum argues for the melancholic perspective on life and points to painters like Jacques-Louis David, Rembrandt and Titian.

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00:22 Melancholy wins in the long run 
04:20 Big wounds in your memory
06:05 Zorn's confidence and Rembrandt's angst
07:44 How adversity crippled Munch
09:31 Munch's allegiance to the time
11:50 Rembrandt “pictured his life”
13:47 Melancholic works always remembered
14:37 Opaque desire vs love
18:27 The poetic attitude
21:09 Munch's Sick Child
26:12 Jacques David, Lievens and Claudius Cilvilis
31:21 Muted colors, from earth to life
37:58 The contour line and “flat” figures
39:12 In and out breath, grayness and many layers
46:28 Metaphors in paint layers (Titian vs Zorn)
48:15 Titian's Marsyas: Tragic vs mythic level
52:20 Geo vs Helio mindset (Gatsby, Wyeth, Nerdrum)
56:18 God sees you: the inverted perspective of icons

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In the Name of Melancholy | Odd Nerdrum & Jan-Ove Tuv

We dive into Plato's dialogues, such as Ion and The Republic to better understand the Greek philosopher's concept of the ideal forms and why he declaimed that painters, sculptors, and writers were to be banned from his ideal state.

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Chapter markers:
00:00 Is life on earth inferior? 
03:11 Plato's "forms", censorship and the afterlife
08:46 Imitation as morally problematic
12:35 Good painters imitate Platonic forms? 
16:58 Serving the state vs "please and instruct"
20:43 Plato's philosophy — a preparation for death
23:43 Socratic irony as manipulation
26:25 Ion: do not overestimate how much you know
29:27 Ion: empathy made suspicious
33:32 Plato understood literally - and later interpretations
38:45 Plato vs Aristotle on the poet
41:55 Preparation for death
45:01 Capturing the forms or the universal?
52:34 Number of "forms" & steel manning Plato 
54:53 "Find God in everything" and near death experiences
56:24 Heraclitus vs Plato 
58:39 Great poets make things last

This episode featured Einar Duenger Bøhn, Bork Nerdrum & Jan-Ove Tuv.
Filmed by Öde Nerdrum and Carl August Benneche Klevjer.
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Why did Plato Wish to Exile Writers, Painters and Sculptors? | Einar Bøhn, Nerdrum & Tuv

Stephen Hicks is a professor of philosophy at Rockford University, U.S. and the author of several books, including the best-seller Explaining Postmodernism, which details the philosophical roots of today’s cultural climate. Mr. Hicks highlights Immanuel Kant's role in undermining objectivity and reason, showing how his ideas remain the corner stone of Post Modernism and "Fine Art" to this day.

Giving an overview of Kant's aesthetics, metaphysics and epistemology, the conversation further explains how this cocktail necessarily cripples classically minded people: 
If we cannot know reality then the act of painting it becomes naive. If nothing is objective then we cannot trust the rules of any craft and if nothing is universal then we become estranged from the mythic perspective.

You can listen to Hicks' lecture How Art Became Ugly or check out his appearances on various podcasts including his own Open College Podcast.
His official YouTube-channel is CEE Channel (Center for Ethics and Entrepreneurship).

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Chapter markers:
00:30 Introducing Stephen Hicks
01:13 "Explaining Postmodernism" & the Enlightenment  
04:59 The "Counter-Enlightenment" defense of irrationality
08:54 Dissolving reason and the individual
12:46 Postmodern philosophers
15:58 Arthur Danto, Clement Greenberg & Jackson Pollock 
17:35 Kant's Metaphysics: we cannot know reality as it is
23:34 No voluptuous women, no muscular men
26:12 Turning concepts against themselves
27:07 Kant's Epistemology and the devaluation of classical painting 
33:31 Quotation mark bonanza
35:30 Munch's green sky
40:01 Modernistic art: a grooming ground for Kantianism 
41:26 The representational project must be abandoned
43:21 Kant's Aesthetics: the sublime
49:15 The sublime lets us access "real reality"
50:50 Romantic art and the sublime
52:59 Anti everything & the greatest compliment ever!
55:20 Kant undercuts the possibility of being classical
56:38 Jack Unterweger: a mass murderer genius?
59:58 Expressionism and Cubism: products of Kant?
1:03:08 Originality hinders your development
1:07:03 Aesthetic indifference negates the eternal perspective
1:10:59 Thou shalt not make any "graven image"
1:14:44 Disintegration and destruction of classical values
1:19:23 "Spirituality" or "reality"?
1:22:35 Read Kant to break out of the modernist box
1:30:05 The painter who stopped painting after reading Kant
1:30:33 Aristotle is the greatest philosophical genius of all time

This episode featured Stephen Hicks and Jan-Ove Tuv and was filmed and edited by Bork Nerdrum.
The centerpiece was a reproduction of Johann Christoph Frisch's 1768 oil painting of Immanuel Kant.

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Explaining Postmodernism & Immanuel Kant's Frontal Assault on Classical Culture | Stephen Hicks

Sturla Ellingvåg is the historian behind  @VikingStories .
He is is currently collaborating in DNA-projects with the Max Planck Institute in Germany, and is convinced that history has to be studied in a broader context than current fashion allows.
He traces the roots of the Viking Age back to the Bronze Age and beyond, and also sees the earliest Viking raids as a pre-emptive defense against the onslaught of the "sword Christendom" of the Emperor Charlemagne. Ellingvåg takes us through Norse mythology, its connection to Greek mythology and society and how it may reflect reality in unexpected ways. 
Were the Norse Gods actually historical human beings and did the Vikings become more resilient through their stories? Join us as we delve into the Norse sense of life and discuss the power of their stories.

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Chapter markers:
00:31 Introducing Ellingvåg
01:04 Thinking across time
04:57 The Pre-emptive warfare of the vikings
10:27 Vikings: Democracy and Individualism
16:06 Elite marriage and "blue blood"
19:01 English Law is Norman Law
22:06 Starkad and the viking mentality
27:57 Scandinavian-Mediterranean contact
36:25 Scandinavian virgins at the Oracle of Delphi 
43:51 Height differences and the sun winning over darkness
47:37 Norse gods: actual historical peoples?
53:57 The blood brothers Odin and Loke
56:15 Catastrophes cemented in myths
59:47 Metamorphosis of gods over time
1:05:31 Odin's search for knowledge
1:10:03 Shamanic journeys and living like animals
1:13:47 Genetic memory and canalization
1:19:53 Reconnecting through mythology
1:24:45 Ragnarok & Regeneration

This episode featured Sturla Ellingvåg & Jan-Ove Tuv and was filmed and edited by Bork Nerdrum.
The centerpiece was a reproduction of the painting "Tor's fight with the Giants" (1872) by Mårten Eskil Winge.

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Sturla Ellingvåg on Vikings, Norse Myths, Genetic Memory & Connecting the Longer Lines in History

Professor James Stevens Curl is the author of the book "Making Dystopia: The Strange Rise and Survival of Architectural Barbarism". He dissects the modernist ideology as a historical phenomenon, which is not independent of the authoritarian social forces that surround it. On the contrary, Stevens Curl demonstrates that modernism became an authoritarian aesthetic ideology from early on, which eventually characterized the whole of Western culture.
Where many academics in Western Europe have taken a nihilistic approach to the dystopian urban landscapes that have risen after the Second World War, James Stevens Curl chooses a firm position. As he sees it, modernism is a deeply immoral and a socially destructive project, which should be actively combated.
Curl has also written extensively about Victorian architecture. Architecturally, the Victorian era was a rich era, with great building activity and saw the construction of many beautiful churches. In his newest book "English Victorian Churches", Curl explains how the European political currents of the time, British religious policy, and local engagement played a significant role in realizing this rich and beautiful architectural period."

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Chapter markers:
00:33 Intro
01:48 Architecture and the surrounding landscape
05:12 “Making Dystopia”: how modernism came about
10:35 Gropius, Miese and Le Corbusier
 12:41 Pevsner: “modern architecture should be totalitarian”
 16:06 Totalitarian mindset and the Nazi connection
25:42 Modernist bullying and idolatry
32:38 Abandoned churches and falsification of history
44:04 The gothic style
48:33 The language of classical architecture
51:06 Defining beauty
56:56 Modernism: a disaster in every way
1:00:16 Good examples
1:07:03 Modern architecture and sculpture 
1:10:26 Modernism and corruption
1:14:24 “Making Dystopia” and Curl's students 
1:20:04 The role of architectural history and King Charles
 1:26:42 Not just one style

This episode featured James Stevens Curl & Carl Korsnes and was filmed and edited by Bork Nerdrum.
The centerpiece was, on the left: a brown high-rise building 
under clear blue sky (photo: Dids) and on the right: St Mary's Church, Studley Royal Deer Park.
(photo: Nicks-2017)

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Making Dystopia: James Stevens Curl Exposes Totalitarian Modernism and the Falsification of History

What are the foundational rules of storytelling and can Ayn Rand's philosophy serve as an inspiration to fiction authors? Henrik Knightingale, who just released his first play, is an objectivist with a keen interest for the work of Ayn Rand. He sits down with Jan-Ove Tuv and Carl Korsnes to discuss her ideas about literature and reveals how he went from being a modernist to a writer with structure and a clear goal in mind.

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Chapter markers:
00:00 From unconscious modernist to clear standards 
05:25 Forging a plot
10:28 The Climax: a struggle of life and death
21:38 Definition of "plot" & "theme"
22:45 Tragedy vs unfaltering heroes? 
29:05 Rand's so-called "cardboard figures"
33:16 Determinism vs Romanticism
40:41 The role of volition
50:04 Balzac, Lucian Freud and Andrew Wyeth
56:00 Disregarding biographical data
58:35 Show, don’t tell
1:02:37 Which authors Rand favored 
1:05:12 Life as it can be — and ought to be 
1:09:54 My sense of life…?

This episode featured Henrik Knightingale, Jan-Ove Tuv & Carl Korsnes and was filmed and edited by Bork Nerdrum.
The centerpiece was a 19th century reproduction of G. F. Watts' Hope.

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The Art of Fiction | Using Ayn Rand's Ideas to become a Good Storyteller

Jan-Ove Tuv sits down with Sturla Ellingvåg to dive deep into norse mythology.
Ellingvåg is the historian behind the Viking Stories channel on YouTube .
He is associated with the Max Planck Institute in Germany, and is convinced that history has to be studied in a broader context than current fashion allows.

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Chapter markers:
00:00 Can we trust Snorre's "Edda"? 
08:04 The Yamnaya warriors from the Armenian highlands
10:23 Crisis and mixing 
12:26 Bronze Age blending: the Jötnar, Æsir & Vanir 
15:57 Mobility, boat types and trade
23:00 “Euhemerism“ and “Hieros gamos“ 
25:38 Different priorities for agriculturalists and warriors
30:50 What always happens after catastrophes
34:43 DNA studies from the east 
38:18 Trading hostages - an Indo-European way of ruling
40:37 Horse & carriage 
42:55 The marriage between Njord and Skade: culturally too different?
45:03 The strange heritage of Norse individualism and conformity

This episode featured Sturla Ellingvåg & Jan-Ove Tuv and was filmed and edited by Bork Nerdrum.
The centerpiece was a 19th century reproduction of G. F. Watts' Hope.

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The Æsir, Vanir & Jötnar | Bronze Age Blending, War and Trade | Norse Mythology Pt. 1

The young architect has already made a mark on one of Sweden's cities by winning a competition to build a housing complex in multiple classical styles. Nils Freckeus has a strictly classical approach and aspires to work like the old building masters.

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Chapter markers:
00:00 Introduction
01:14 Columns not allowed!
05:05 The problem of complaining
09:48 Freckeus' first place in a municipal architecture competition 
16:41 "Our time" is what you make of it
18:13 Sticking to the classical principles
19:45 Everything starts with the columns!
26:27 Beauty is recognizing nature…?
28:32 Freckeus' Nobel center in Stockholm
32:26 The tactics of pushing modernist buildings
37:20 "Classical", "traditional" or "classicism"?  
43:00 Reflecting the time? Rebuilding The Notre Dame in Paris
49:43 Corbusier's five conservative rules
53:08 The eastern idea of "copying"
59:00 Fear, boredom & lack of confidence
1:04:03 Classical: sustainability in material, style and economy 
1:11:33 Regulations and the big developers
1:15:32 "Humans are beautiful - architecture should be too"
1:21:57 Built not by gods, but by human beings

This episode featured Nils Freckeus & Carl Korsnes and was filmed and edited by Bork Nerdrum.
The centerpiece was a study drawing of a Nobel Center in Stockholm by Nils Freckeus, based on an idea by Ferdinand Boberg.

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Everything Starts With the Columns | Architect Nils Freckeus on Beauty and Classical Principles

Jan-Ove Tuv sits down with Sturla Ellingvåg to dive deep into Norse mythology.
Ellingvåg is the historian behind  @VikingStories .
He is associated with the Max Planck Institute in Germany, and is convinced that history has to be studied in a broader context than current fashion allows.

Part one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Q81uTkxnsY

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00:00 Norse creation myths
04:33 Attacking sacred trees: Yggdrasil & Irminsul
14:23 Ragnarok - the world ending is not the end of the world
18:26 "Asia Men" & the Germanic world view
23:09 Odin's wisdom & travels to the underworld
29:18 Wells, bridges, the number nine & Saros' cycles 
37:40 Did "Hyperboreans" teach the Greeks?
46:11 Scandinavia, Greece and tripping reindeer
49:50 Fighting and dancing to acquire wisdom
53:25 Inuit & Sami stories: helping spirits and singing
58:05 Dancing, fasting and being more dead than alive
1:05:37 Odin's words to his dead son

This episode featured Sturla Ellingvåg & Jan-Ove Tuv and was filmed and edited by Bork Nerdrum.
The centerpiece was a 19th century reproduction of G. F. Watts' Hope.

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Mushrooms & Shamanic Wisdom, Sacred Trees and the Number Nine | Norse Mythology Pt. 2

Seth Fite is a classical painter born in England, who grew up in the United States. From the new world, he is inspired by American Golden Age illustrators, Andrew and N. C. Wyeth, and the Cincinnati master Frank Duveneck. From the old world, he has studied masters such as Rembrandt and Velasquez. In 2019 he was a student of Odd Nerdrum. 
Fite has been told to "find his own voice" and "do something new", as well as other clichés, but he sees little use of this. He strives to strike the vulnerable spot of humankind, the same spot found by masters before him.

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Chapter markers:
00:00 Intro 
01:49 Illustration and old masters
06:28 The spirit of Andrew Wyeth
11:22 Getting to know the model 
15:36 "Make the eyes more sad"
22:14 Painting from memory
27:09 Andrew Wyeth's status today
30:07 The Bible, and finding the divine in things
35:43 Painting biblical motifs
40:32 Comparing Kierkegaard and Nerdrum
45:48 Reflecting the times is superficial
50:47 Nerdrum destroyed the "Art" word for me
53:17 "Sincere", "true" and "genuine"?
57:30 Joy in recognition
1:06:48 Beauty brings melancholy
1:12:32 Andrew Wyeth's popularity in the East
1:16:12 Something "below" or "behind" the motif?
1:20:07 Stuck in ancient problems

This episode featured Seth Fite & Carl Korsnes and was filmed and edited by Bork Nerdrum.
The wall featured two paintings by Seth Fite.

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Seth Fite on Sincerity in Painting, Andrew Wyeth, and Human Suffering as the Superior Subject Matter

Jan-Ove Tuv sits down with Sturla Ellingvåg to dive deep into Norse mythology.
Ellingvåg is the historian behind the YouTube-channel Viking Stories .
He is associated with the Max Planck Institute in Germany, and is convinced that history has to be studied in a broader context than current fashion allows.

Part one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Q81uTkxnsY
Part two: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTXjioACKt8

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Chapter markers:
00:00 Bridges, wells and guardians
02:04 Shamanic journey and disentanglement
08:40 Wisdom literature 
11:10 Struggles and Loki as hero
17:25 Gods exposed to laws of nature 
20:34 Odin: ferryman or Attila the Hun?
26:58 Odin & The spear dancer
30:00 Was Odin crucified or hanged? 
32:40 What the next Ragnarök will look like
42:37 The 4.2k event
43:56 Religion and more totalitarian societies
45:54 Will your work survive future regimes? Bulgakov and Solzhenitsyn
51:39 The optimism of the Poetic Edda

This episode featured Sturla Ellingvåg & Jan-Ove Tuv and was filmed and edited by Bork Nerdrum.
The centerpiece was a 19th century reproduction of G. F. Watts' Hope.

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Natures of Odin, Preparing for Ragnarök and the Optimism of Poetic Edda | Norse Mythology Part Three

Michael Pearce is a writer, painter, teacher and curator, as well as the founder of The Representational Art Conference (TRAC). His book "Kitsch, Propaganda and the American Avant-Garde" uncovers one thing Lenin, Hitler and Roosevelt had in common: 
A keen eye for art as state propaganda.
Avoiding  the old-fashioned vs modern dichotomy, Pearce shows the cultural historical roots of employing both figurative and abstract painting to further political correctness.
Pearce traces it back to 19th century socialist thinking, and goes in-depth on the ideas of philosophers like Proudhon and Saint-Simon, as well as the protests of Emile Zola.
First and foremost, however, he shows how the the American government and a few wealthy families made Avant-garde art into the preferred art form of the 20th century, casting it as the antidote to the sentimentality of kitsch.

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Chapter markers:
00:00 Intro
01:32 Understanding Kitsch and the Avant-Garde 
05:01 Who is Michael Pearce? 
08:06 The proto-Communist Avant-Garde 
12:47 Proudhon's authoritarian state art
16:22 Proudhon on Courbet and aesthetic ideals
22:02 Courbet, Repin, and Russian realism 
23:25 The Bohemian Avant-Garde
26:00 Emile Zola's individualism vs Proudhon 
29:59 Capturing the Zeitgeist
33:50 The battle between Avant-Gardes in Soviet Russia
41:49 An individualist Avant-Garde? 
42:43 Socialist Realism in the USSR and the USSA
45:36 Nazi art vs Roosevelt's path
47:46 Socialism and the art of the enemy
50:20 Hitler's qualities as a painter
52:19 Degenerate Art and House of German Art
57:25 The sentimental art of the enemy 
59:45 The propagandist Nelson Rockefeller
1:02:24 The figurative/kitsch/Hitler connection 
1:06:37 Greenberg's essay Avant-Garde and Kitsch
1:11:37 Nazi art: kitsch or bona fide modernism? 
1:20:11 Primitive American art as the mother of modernism 
1:26:33 Roosevelt & the marriage of USSA and MoMA 
1:30:04 The current situation in the art world
1:35:56 The American illustration tradition and escapism 
1:38:37 Fergus Ryan: What is "Imaginative realism"? 
1:40:37 Fergus Ryan:: What is "emergence" in painting? 
1:43:59 Question: Is there a refuge for the human spirit?

This episode featured Michael Pearce & Jan-Ove Tuv and was filmed and edited by Bork Nerdrum.
The centerpiece was a reproduction of Courbets painting of Proudhon and his children.

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Kitsch, Propaganda and the American Avant-Garde | An Interview with Michael Pearce

What happened in the cultural life in 19th century France that lead to the rise of avant-garde art in America? Jan-Ove Tuv sits down with Michael Pearce to review his book Kitsch, Propaganda and the American Avant-Garde.

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00:00 "Bohemian" and irresponsible?
03:16 The origin of "Bohemian"
06:47 Courbet - an old-master "modernist"
09:10 Courbet's loyalty to the time
15:48 Science and industrialization killed poetry
18:40 Proudhon, and the marriage of art and socialism
23:12 Courbet's attack on classical values
29:33 Victor Hugo: the sublime, sensual and sentimental
36:15 A Bohemian, ludicrous way of dying
39:36 Theophile Gautier's l'Art pour l'Art, psychedelics, spiritism and theosophy
42:47 Zola: modernist or classical?
48:26 Manet, the father of avant-garde modern art
54:10 Zola's "hour of demolition"
1:00:40 The Hippie movement
1:03:51 How to be a REAL Bohemian
1:07:50 Zola's isolated artists
1:13:58 Myths: the core classical value
1:16:19 The coquette Romantic?

This episode featured Michael Pearce & Jan-Ove Tuv and was filmed and edited by Bork Nerdrum.
The centerpiece was a 19th century reproduction of G. F. Watts' Hope.

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19th Century French Bohemia and the Proto-Avant-Garde | A Review of Michael J. Pearce's Book

Jon White has studied Indo-European mythology for more than thirty years, particularly focusing on cosmogony and creation myths. As an independent  researcher and lecturer, he shares this knowledge on his YouTube-channel  @Crecganford .
Mr. White visits Cave of Apelles to detail the major motifs or "mythologems" of the Indo-European mythological tradition and what they denote. Considering that the Indo-Europeans lived in the Pontic-Caspian steppes about 7000 years ago, how did their stories spread to ancient India, Persia, Rome or Norse Scandinavia - changing, yet still retaining their core?
Combining the study of myths with fields like linguistics, archeology and etymology Mr. White will unravel cross-cultural similarities in stories like The Cosmic Twins, Defeating the dragon, The cattle raiding myth and The wild hunt.
He will also share his ideas on how we best are to understand myths. Are they projections of the human psyche, the condensed ethos of a culture or symbolic manifestations of natural and cultural history?
More intriguing still: is the presence of myths and archetypal images particular to Homo sapiens or have they been transferred between human  species?

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Chapter markers:
00:00 Intro
01:27 Who is Jon White?
04:21 Defining “myth" 
11:57 The Indo-European creation myth and sacrifice of the cow
19:22 Who were the Indo-Europeans? 
24:06 The academic study of myths
30:18 Cattle, three-headed monsters and Twins of creation
37:36 “Fame does not decay” - the magic of writing
41:00 Over 70 000 years of fighting the dragon
45:59 From cows to women - the problem of translation
50:27 The veracity of the poetic and prose Edda
56:27 The divine twins vs the creation twins
1:00:11 Defining “archetype”
1:04:31 What is NOT Indo-European?
1:06:25 Mythology and mindset
1:08:29 Inuit myths, and stars as protagonists
1:13:41 Ways of understanding myth
1:16:51 Polytheist vs monotheist worldviews?
1:21:25 Myths as projection of the human psyche?
1:31:39 Myths as condensed images
1:34:17 Pre-human myths?

This episode featured Jon F. White & Jan-Ove Tuv and was filmed and edited by Bork Nerdrum.
The centerpiece was a reproduction of "Sleeping Twins" by Odd Nerdrum.

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Creation, Cows and Sacrifice | Jon White on the Motifs and Interpretation of Indo-European Mythology

Jan-Ove Tuv sits down with Jon White from the Crecganford YouTube-channel and Sturla Ellingvåg from the Viking Stories YouTube-channel to discuss the nature of myths.

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Chapter markers:
00:00 Thinking a-historically
03:33 From ritual to listening
08:48 Replacing pagan holidays and rituals
15:39 Changes in myths
22:26 Tactius' Germania, the Poetic Edda and the Kalevala
26:19 Sacred truths make stories last
33:14 Cut off from your traditions
39:28 Looking at history as a whole
44:17 A perfect product for corporate business?
48:36 Picking the shiny thing
52:32 Back to basic human stories
57:36 Participating in the story
1:02:58 Do what has worked before
1:05:46 Irony in eternal stories
1:07:18 Society after the cyclical disasters
1:13:18 Agriculture gives us cyclical myths
1:19:40 Recurring themes in myth

This episode featured Jon F. White, Jan-Ove Tuv & Sturla Ellingvåg and was filmed and edited by Bork Nerdrum.
The centerpiece was a 19th century reproduction of G. F. Watts' Hope.

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Cyclical thinking, Discontinuity and Basic Human Stories | Jon White, Sturla Ellingvåg & Jan-Ove Tuv

Dr. Nir Buras is a leading new traditional architect and urbanist, founder of the Classic Planning Institute, and author of The Art of Classic Planning. He designs towns, cities and buildings, and speaks about some of the most  interesting developments in the world of architecture and planning and where we might find ourselves in the future.

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Chapter markers:
00:00 Intro 
01:30 Buras & the Classic Planning Institute (CPI)
04:43 Projects and subdivisions of CPI
09:02 CPI's partners, seminars and live events
11:00 Horseshit, conflict and modern city planning
15:07 Cars and modern city planning
19:01 Three scenarios for our cities
22:33 The "Golden Age" in all cultures
26:01 What is wrong with the modern city
37:46 A holistic vs problem solving method
48:20 Place making is memory-making
57:22 Can a city have cars in it?
1:06:43 Traffic in Rome, Rio de Janeiro and New York
1:10:23 Town and country
1:14:41 CPI and the Anacostia River Masterplan
1:24:45 The impact of using hands on the brain
1:29:35 An eight generations horizon
1:32:10 Olympic Games for handcraft
1:35:24 The Anacostia project and Paris' Île de la Cité
1:42:03 Daniel Burnham: “Make no small plans”
1:46:28 Burnham's six categories for town planning
1:51:55 The symbolism of where you place buildings
1:58:50 Getting cars off the streets
1: 01:42 The future of modernism is classical

This episode featured Dr. Nir Buras & Carl Korsnes and was filmed and edited by Bork Nerdrum.
The centerpiece was a photograph of the Anacostia Riverfront render design by Dr. Buras & The Classic Planning Institute.

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Dr. Nir Buras on The Classic Planning Institute, Modern Urban Planning and The Future of Our Cities

Bork Nerdrum and Jan-Ove Tuv take a deep-dive into Larry Shiner's book The Invention of Art (2001), commenting on the contents from the perspective of classical painting and culture.

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00:00 Biggest takeaways so far 
05:27 19th century: modernist rhetoric and “Art“ as an independent realm
08:02 Finding the purest of the fine arts
10:30 Changing the meaning of “culture“
12:12 Art as religion
19:57 Pre-modernists and Roman frog eyes
24:17 The Saint and Martyr Syndrom
27:29 “The descent of the artisan“
 34:41 Architecture: art or craft…?
41:49 The term “disinterestedness“
45:00 The final consolidation of “Art“
48:47 Photography: was it ever a threat?
55:40 Modernism 1890-1930
1:06:18 The 1930´s & representational styles
1:09:00 Modernism as “anti-totalitarian“
1:14:05 Repeating the art vs craft division
1:19:25 Post-Modernism as an alternative? 
1:22:51 A people without identity & a third system of the arts

This episode featured Bork Nerdrum and Jan-Ove Tuv and was filmed by Öde Nerdrum and Jikke Gruwel.
The centerpiece was a 19th century reproduction of G. F. Watts' Hope.

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Establishing Fine Art as a Religion of Purity: Reading Larry Shiner's The Invention of Art | Part 3

Jan-Ove Tuv's conversation with the Chilean painter Sebastian Salvo.

This episode was produced by Bork S. Nerdrum, assisted by Nic Thurman and Lasse Bøyum.

Sebastian Salvo on the Incas, Nerdrum, and the Apelles Palette

Jan-Ove Tuv's conversation with the Austrian landscape painter Boris Koller.

This episode was produced by Bork S. Nerdrum, assisted by Sebastian Salvo and Nic Thurman.

Boris Koller on Kitsch, the Art Police, and Art as the New Religion

Jan-Ove Tuv's conversation with the Norwegian painter Per T. Lundgren about the tragic life of the great Scandinavian landscape painter Lars Hertervig, Odd Nerdrum's transformation from so-called social realism to archetypal imagery, and his experience at the Nerdrum School. 

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Lars Hertervig's "Borg Island":
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Theodor Kittelsen's "The Nixie as a White Horse" (admired by Edvard Munch):
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Nerdrum's "The Fall" (described by Lundgren as the turning point in Nerdrum's career):
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This episode was produced by Bork S. Nerdrum, assisted by Sebastian Salvo and Nic Thurman.

Per Lundgren on Hertervig, Odd Nerdrum's Transformation and the Nerdrum School

Watch Jan-Ove Tuv's conversation with the former academic director at the Florence Academy of Sweden, Joakim Ericsson, who swapped painting for fantasy illustrations and the gaming industry.

This episode was produced by Bork S. Nerdrum, assisted by Andrew Aviste and Seth Fite.

Joakim Ericsson on the Florence Academy, Odd Nerdrum, and Fantasy Illustrations

Why did Edvard Munch bow to Art after successfully emulating the techniques of the old masters? Perhaps the philosophy of kitsch could serve as a solution for contemporary classical painters that are trying to cultivate their virtue in a minefield of Art. But how do you differentiate between correct and incorrect kitsch signifiers?



Watch Jan-Ove Tuv's conversation with the American painter Nic Thurman, an original member of the Memorosa group. Thurman studied with Jeremy Caniglia at the Creighton Preparatory School for three years before he went to study with Odd Nerdrum. He is concerned with the late style of Titian and Rembrandt, but also the early Edvard Munch.

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Back in the studio, Tuv asks Thurman some personal questions and tests his knowledge with the "Do you know Art and Kitsch history?" quiz.

At the end, Tuv presents the ten minute excerpt of the upcoming documentary on the Memorosa Group, showing Javier Adams, Sebastian Salvo, and Nic Thurman himself compete to make the best one-hour drawing.

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The centerpiece for this conversation was four one-hour drawings by Nic Thurman.
The episode was produced by Bork S. Nerdrum, assisted by Javier Adams and Sebastian Salvo.

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Nic Thurman on the Memorosa Group, Edvard Munch's Decline and the Correct Signifiers of Kitsch

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