In this episode we talk about (okay, mostly complain about) the anti-civilization and anti-utopian pamphlet: Desert by Anonymous. Is this a doomer text, or can both bloomer and doomer agree that it goes too far? We tried to be fair with our critiques but sectarianism got the better of us and we engage in some shit talking, please forgive us. 

References:
https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/anonymous-desert
https://organisemagazine.org.uk/2019/10/03/desert-review/
https://anarchistnews.org/content/critique-desert
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-00177-3
https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/murray-bookchin-the-population-myth
https://www.iias.asia/sites/default/files/nwl_article/2019-05/IIAS_NL49_1213.pdf
https://yalebooks.yale.edu/book/9780300182910/against-grain
https://salvage.zone/mieville_all.html

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doomervbloomer@gmail.com
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43. THE SAND BOOK

Check out one of the latest podcasts to join to the Channel Zero Network: You Don't Need Permission! Franz also appears on a couple episodes in season one, so look for those as well :)

- Why is there a need for revolutionary change? Can't capitalism simply be reined in by governments? Turns out the answer is no, actually. Joshua talks with Franz of the podcast Doomer V Bloomer about why reform is impossible and revolution is the only way. -

- For a more in-depth analysis on how business interests manipulate public policy, check out Srsly Wrong's episode Business Confidence and Capital Strikes: https://srslywrong.com/podcast/231-business-confidence-capital-strikes-w-michael-schwartz-and-kevin-a-young/ -

- You Don't Need Permission is now proud to be a member of the Channel Zero Podcast Network. https://channelzeronetwork.com/ -

- Theme music is "You Can (Mass Trespass 1932)" by Chumbawamba, used (ironically) with permission.

Capitalism Can Not Be Reformed (guest appearance on You Don't Need Permission)

As you may have been able to guess by the long, unannounced hiatus, this project has reached its conclusion. It is no more. Here is one last DvB episode for you to listen to and enjoy. But worry not, this is not the last you’ve heard from Kami and Franz. Listen in to find out what we’ll each be doing next and where to find our future projects. <3

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https://soundcloud.com/doomervbloomer
doomervbloomer@gmail.com
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44. THE FINAL SHOWDOWN

Doomer v. Bloomer is a podcast about the eternal struggle between hope and despair. Each episode Franz, playing the optimistic, utopian bloomer, will face off against Kami, playing the jaded and cynical doomer. It’s up to you to decide who wins.

We’ll discuss current events, leftist theory, praxis, and history, and feature special guests with relative expertise in a wide range of subjects.

Doomer V Bloomer

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