You are closing the door... Everyone is a leader in this movement and they're there because they support the scientific method and application to social concern and sustainable technology specifically in a RBE without any dictator.    
And when you say people cant express your project ideas under an activist name its pretty much destroying creditability to both sides because the ball was already rolling. The cat is out of the bag. The is no reason to hoard anything anymore. That is an egotistical value disorder and that is why the movement is soo important. To educate and redirect peoples values... Like If you made a city right now people would destroy it because their values are still distorted. Im sure that it will all be funneled together one way or the other but sooner the better.

Last comment... (sorry) Evolution will take care of the answers and solutions. Society is a self-organising system. Once we lay the ground rules we can make it whatever way we want.. Check out http://www.freeworldcharter.org for example. A much simpler approach.

i understand peter in what he said and i share his comments. its about the people and the "spirit of the time" not just TVP. TVP is just A good example, but there are many others. Roxanne example about the military and the way they took jacques idea for bad deeds is not credible and relevant in this argument... the information on how to realise TVP should be made available and not kept under the carpet. the movement is not the military and i cant see how any new technology from jacque would cause any more destruction to an already destructive world. im sure the technology jacque has in mind is already available, just like many other great technologies available at the moment, we just cant AFFORD it! the system in place is the problem... once the system changes, everything else will follow. if collapse occurs, who is going to have jacques so called bluprints to work from!?! oh i forgot, it is IP of TVP! i say we take this step by step... education is the first most vital thing right now. people need to realise what is possible with the technology and understanding that we currently have. TVP has made shocking statements that personally have no credibility. what a dissapointment. peter, i love to hear you talk. you are by far one of the most influential speakers of our generation. i have immense respect for you.

what keeps getting me upset is that based on the same argument of the scientific method usage, why JF keeps saying he won't give up the blue prints, isn't necessary that the scientific community have a say on the blue prints ? do we actually know all these drawing DO work? the stolen designs argument is REALLY weak, let them build whatever they like... bombers and so... if this design does work bombers will be obsolete.....

Guess what's she's gonna say...'if you would like to join us, join us'. Is she crying? Her answers are worse than those of politicians.

Division will only hold us back. In a world where people like us are already a minority is it not detrimentally damaging to weakening our force further by separating us into two? As i see it, TZM is the road that leads to a common goal which is something similar to TVP - what the road is called and what the goal is called along with who owns their ideas is irrelevant. I understand what Roxanne is saying in regards to calling the TZM TVP activist arm in light of not having full control over it's actions is inappropriate. However how can TVP hope to come about by dividing people and without compromising, is that not a dictatorship? Is Joseph welcome to come work with TVP. This split is a real shame.

TZM & TVP have the same followers so what is the point of this disassociation.

TZM & TVP Meeting April 19th - Start to Finish.

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