This week's guest Govinda describes himself as a modern mystic committed to spiritual growth and enlightenment while simultaneously learning to be a balanced and grounded human being in this world. Govinda has been an IT consultant in banking and a successful internet entrepreneur. He has traveled the world in search of communities and alternative ways of living before he co-founded "Awake" in Costa Rica in 2020, a community and center dedicated to support and accelerate what he calls human awakening. 

Govinda describes for Rachel the experiences he had at Sat Yoga, an ashram and school in Costa Rica led by Shunyamurti (aka Robert Shubow) He explains the red flags he noticed in the leader and the cultic tactics he used to manipulate the minds of his followers. Rachel breaks down the common psychological traits of cult leaders while Govinda points out where these traits were present in Shunyamurti. Govinda goes on to share how his negative experiences led him to co-found the website www.satyoga.exposed/ which offers a different perspective on the nature of the organization and a voice for the numerous past members of the cult who have had a personal relationship with Shunyamurti.

Before You Go: Rachel speaks about what disillusioned followers can experience when they finally see cracks in the facade of a controlling leader, and what signs are visible when a leader hides their true self.

A very special thanks to Lisa Critchley for their generous support!

Thanks also to all our newest Patreon supporters: Kate Sandler, Jacob Brooks, Amy, Stephanie J Sharp, and Nathan Andersen!! 

We couldn't do it without you!
 
You can help the show for free by leaving a review on Apple/ iTunes. It really helps the visibility of the show!

To help support the show monthly and sign up for cool Indoctrination stickers and tote bags, please visit:
www.patreon.com/indoctrination

Want to support the IndoctriNation show with a one-time donation? Use this link! www.paypal.me/indoctriNATION

Sat Yoga Exposed w/Govinda

This week's guest, Roberta Blevins is a former "Hun", who left the MLM world in 2017 and began publicly educating and speaking out against it. In her time in MLM, she was involved as a consultant for 3; It Works!, LuLaRoe and Modere, and a customer of many. Since leaving MLM, she has educated herself on the systemic structure of the business model, the psychological manipulation, the seedy underbelly, and governmental ties, the cult indoctrination, and the history of Multi-Level Marketing. She educates daily on TikTok, and podcasts in her "free time", talking to the survivors and victims of these commercial cults, disguised as the quickest route to the American Dream.

In this first part of their two-part conversation, Roberta explains to Rachel how she works to end the stigma of failure in the MLM industry, which she explains is designed for failure. Together they unpack the tactics of the now infamous MLM, LuLaRoe, that Roberta says signifies a commercial cult. Roberta shares her emotional journey as she transitions from "hun" to anti-MLM activist providing a detailed analysis of the schemes used in this deceptive and dangerous industry.

Before You Go: Rachel expands on the concept of the sunk cost fallacy and points out some of the many examples where it can be found, offering insights for walking away from deceptive traps.

Listen to Roberta's podcast "Life After MLM" here:
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/life-after-mlm/id1553784236

Find Rachel's book "Now I Know, Kids Talking To Kids About Divorce..." here:
https://www.amazon.com/Now-I-Know-Rachel-Bernstein/dp/1620867893/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=now+i+know+rachel+bernstein&qid=1637717066&sr=8-1

Thanks to our newest Patreon supporter "to change"!

To help support the show monthly and sign up for cool Indoctrination shirts and tote bags, please visit:
www.patreon.com/indoctrination

Want to support the IndoctriNation show with a one-time donation? Use this link: www.paypal.me/indoctriNATION

You can help the show for free by leaving a review on Apple/ iTunes. It really helps the visibility of the show!

Toxic Boss Babe Culture w/ Roberta Blevins

Jacob is a socialist community organizer living in Philadelphia. He helps run the Community Action Relief Project (CARP), a mutual aid organization committed to sharing resources and redistributing wealth throughout the Kensington neighborhood and broader Philadelphia. In addition to hosting political reading groups and building relationships with neighborhood groups for CARP, his creative pursuits include poetry, comedy, and ASMR videos. Jacob joined Rachel not to denounce or advocate for any broad political ideology but to warn potential recruits to the specific group he was involved with (PSL) by sharing his own personal experience.

In this first part of Rachel's two-part conversation with Jacob, he explains how he first got involved with The Party for Socialism and Liberation, a high control group in the world of political organizing. Jacob breaks down some of the cult-like tactics of control that were commonplace in his branch. Rachel offers her insights into the groups' use of manipulative language and pressure to overachieve to the point of exhaustion. They discuss in detail the restrictive nature of the organization, as well as its intolerance of dissent both in public and private.

Before You Go: Rachel emphasizes the point Jacob made about questioning why so many people involved with his group left on bad terms. She explains how you can examine the nature of an organization by noting its reaction to your dissenting opinions or refusal of demands.

Learn more about Jacob's experience and the experiences of many other former PSL members here: 
https://medium.com/@jacobscb/documentation-of-corruption-institutional-bigotry-and-high-control-group-cult-like-behavior-in-6afa65b8072e

Find Rachel's book "Now I Know, Kids Talking To Kids About Divorce..." here:
https://www.amazon.com/Now-I-Know-Rachel-Bernstein/dp/1620867893

Thanks to our newest Patreon supporter Charlotte!

To help support the show monthly and sign up for cool Indoctrination shirts and tote bags, please visit:
www.patreon.com/indoctrination

Want to support the IndoctriNation show with a one-time donation? Use this link: www.paypal.me/indoctriNATION

You can help the show for free by leaving a review on Spotify or Apple/ iTunes. It really helps the visibility of the show!

Sharp Edged Party Line w/ Jacob

Jacob is a socialist community organizer living in Philadelphia. He helps run the Community Action Relief Project (CARP), a mutual aid organization committed to sharing resources and redistributing wealth throughout the Kensington neighborhood and broader Philadelphia. In addition to hosting political reading groups and building relationships with neighborhood groups for CARP, his creative pursuits include poetry, comedy, and ASMR videos. Jacob joined Rachel not to denounce or advocate for any broad political ideology but to warn potential recruits to the specific group he was involved with (PSL) by sharing his own personal experience.

In this second part of Rachel's two-part conversation with Jacob, he shares the experience that led him to see clearly the group's manipulative and cult-like tactics of control. Jacob details how the PSL's national leadership conspired to cover up the sexual assault of his friend by an influential member of the organization. Throughout Jacob's story, Rachel compares the manipulations and reactionary defensiveness of PSL to that of cults who take aggressive and retaliatory action towards all accusers and critics.

Before You Go: Rachel examines the fraudulent nature of internal investigations within high control groups by relating a personal story about dealing with a disingenuous property manager. She advises how to see through the theater of begrudging leaders feigning attempts at problem resolution.

Learn more about Jacob's experience and the experiences of many other former PSL members here:
medium.com/@jacobscb/documenta…ior-in-6afa65b8072e

Find Rachel's book "Now I Know, Kids Talking To Kids About Divorce..." here:
www.amazon.com/Now-I-Know-Rachel…ein/dp/1620867893

Thanks to our newest Patreon supporter Terry Horne! 

To help support the show monthly and sign up for cool Indoctrination shirts and tote bags, please visit:
www.patreon.com/indoctrination

Want to support the IndoctriNation show with a one-time donation? Use this link: www.paypal.me/indoctriNATION

You can help the show for free by leaving a review on Spotify or Apple/ iTunes. It really helps the visibility of the show!

Comrade Cover-Up w/ Jacob

Jitarth Jadeja is a former QAnon follower and current moderator of a Reddit group with over 200K followers called QAnon Casualties. Residing in Sydney, Australia, Jitarth has been covered in many major news publications in the U.S. and beyond, providing important insight into the perplexing world of Q. Since leaving Qanon behind, Jitarth has become an invaluable resource not only to high-profile journalists but also to families who have lost loved ones to Qanon. As you'll hear, his charming vulnerability and quick wit have helped him to shine a light on the shadows of Qanon and the conspiratorial right.

Jitarth shares with Rachel why he first became consumed with Qanon, explaining the ways in which it affected his familial relationships, specifically with his father who became a Q believer as well. Rachel discusses her experience dealing with the fallout of the Qanon movement. Together they talk through the consequences of Qanon's dangerous disinformation, lamenting the human cost of its voracious growth.

Before You Go: Rachel explains the often innocuous reasons and even positive attributes that can cause people to seek community in cultic situations. Additionally, she offers insight on engaging with people whose natural desire for acceptance and status prevents them from thinking critically.

Listen to Rachel and Jitarth's conversation on Conspirituality Podcast here:
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/65-long-haul-qanon-w-rachel-bernstein-jitarth-jadeja/id1515827446?i=1000532569599

Find Rachel's book "Now I Know: Kids Talking To Kids About Divorce..." here:
www.amazon.com/Now-I-Know-Rachel…ein/dp/1620867893

Thanks to our newest Patreon supporters Lisa Akers and Stef CLO!!!

To help support the show monthly and sign up for cool Indoctrination shirts and tote bags, please visit:
www.patreon.com/indoctrination

Prefer to support the IndoctriNation show with a one-time donation? Use this link: www.paypal.me/indoctriNATION

You can help the show for free by leaving a rating on Spotify or Apple/ iTunes. It really helps the visibility of the show!

Qanon Casualties w/ Jitarth Jadeja

India Oxenberg is a successful film producer, writer, and actress. India is a national ambassador for RAINN (Rape, Abuse & Incest National Network) the nation's largest anti-sexual violence organization. She is also the daughter of our previous guest Catherine Oxenberg who Rachel worked with as a client while India was involved in NXIVM, the infamous multi-level marketing company that was later exposed as a sex cult. 

While in NXIVM, India was introduced to the cult's inner circle and was groomed to be a sexual partner of NXIVM's founder and leader, Keith Raniere. In 2020, she published the book Still Learning: A Memoir. She produced and starred in the documentary series Seduced: Inside the NXIVM Cult, in which Rachel is also featured documenting her work with the Oxenbergs as India transitioned out of NXIVM.


In the first half of Rachel and India's very personal and intimate two-part episode, they re-examine the intense time they shared together in therapy as India made her way out of the grips of the infamous and now imprisoned cult leader Keith Raniere. India opens up to Rachel about what her inner-life has felt like as she begins to leave behind the conditioning and indoctrination that left her scarred emotionally and physically from her time in NXIVM. Throughout the conversation, Rachel guides India through the revelations she had while becoming the person she truly is, rather than who she was told to be.


Before You Go: Rachel reminds listeners of the importance of being mindful of what personal details you share, why, and with whom, warning that you can make yourself vulnerable to emotional manipulation.


For resources on sexual violence visit RAINN here:
www.rainn.org/


Hear India's mother Catherine speak to Rachel about their shared experience here: https://soundcloud.com/indoctrinationshow/catherine-re-release



You can see Rachel, Catherine, and India in the documentary Seduced: Inside the NXIVM Cult
youtu.be/SmogBLEhbjY


Find Rachel's book "Now I Know: Kids Talking To Kids About Divorce..." here:
www.amazon.com/Now-I-Know-Rachel…ein/dp/1620867893


Find Catherine Oxenberg's book featuring Rachel here:
www.amazon.com/Captive-Mothers-C…ook/dp/B07C2C393X


Find India's audiobook telling her story in her own words here:
www.amazon.com/Still-Learning-A-…oir/dp/B08L3TW37N


Thanks to our newest Patreon supporters Helena Sviglin, Ashera DeRosa, Robert Kucera, and Carrie Bee!!


To help support the show monthly and sign up for cool Indoctrination shirts and tote bags, please visit:
www.patreon.com/indoctrination


Prefer to support the IndoctriNation show with a one-time donation? Use this link: www.paypal.me/indoctriNATION


You can help the show for free by leaving a rating on Spotify or Apple/ iTunes. It really helps the visibility of the show!

Survivorship w/ India Oxenberg

Willoughby Britton Ph.D. is a clinical psychologist, an Associate Professor of Psychiatry and Human Behavior at Brown University Medical School, and the Director of Brown's Clinical and Affective Neuroscience Laboratory.
Her clinical neuroscience research investigates the effects of contemplative practices on the brain and body in the treatment of mood disorders, trauma, and other emotional disturbances. She is especially interested in practice-specific effects, individual differences, and moderators of treatment outcomes.


She is probably best known for her research on adverse effects, and creating best practices around harms monitoring and reporting.
As a clinician, she has been trained as an instructor in Mindfulness-Based Stress Reduction (MBSR) and Mindfulness-based Cognitive Therapy (MBCT), and the Somatic Experiencing (SE) approach to trauma. She now specializes in helping meditators who are experiencing meditation-related difficulties and providing meditation safety training to providers and organizations.


Throughout this first half of their two-part conversation, Rachel and Willoughby find common ground discussing where their specialties intersect and help each other fill in the gaps of knowledge in their respective fields. Dr. Britton shares about her personal relationship with meditation, how it relates to her work, and the surprising results of her comprehensive study on the adverse effects of meditation. Rachel helps Dr. Britton unpack the cult dynamics and the societal structure that may explain the panic and very unscientific response of the meditation and science communities as a result of Dr. Britton's studies.



Before You Go: Rachel reflects on the problematic and dangerous issues Dr. Britton points out, relating it to her personal experience in a mindfulness and meditation course she participated in for a continuing education program.



Watch Dr.Britton's TED talk on meditation and neuroscience here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TR8TjCncvIw&t=0s




To learn more about Cheetah House and their work helping those experiencing meditation-related distress please visit:

https://www.cheetahhouse.org/




If you are a meditator who has suffered from adverse effects, you can book a consultation with the Cheetah House care team including Dr. Britton here:

https://www.cheetahhouse.org/care-team?gclid=Cj0KCQjw5-WRBhCKARIsAAId9Fl9oSOnXTS5HCX-5jEKUhkuo7GO7-YPXitpU6hUwCHupKVX_QaYdS8aAsZ6EALw_wcB



 
Find Rachel's book "Now I Know: Kids Talking To Kids About Divorce..." here:
www.amazon.com/Now-I-Know-Rachel…ein/dp/1620867893


Thanks to our newest Patreon supporter Erin Boyle!!

To help support the show monthly and get bonus episodes, shirts, and tote bags, please visit:
www.patreon.com/indoctrination

Prefer to support the IndoctriNation show with a one-time donation? Use this link: www.paypal.me/indoctriNATION

You can help the show for free by leaving a rating on Spotify or Apple/ iTunes. It really helps the visibility of the show!

Invisible Virtue w/ Willoughby Britton Ph.D.

Daniel Levin is an award-winning writer living in Los Angeles. He holds an MFA in poetry from the University of California, Irvine, where he taught creative writing and rhetoric. His writing has appeared in Provincetown Arts, The Sarah Lawrence Review, The Westchester Review, and The Bennington Review. During his time at Sarah Lawrence College Dan, as a 19-year-old  sophomore got involved with Larry Ray the leader of what turned out to be a dangerous cult. Dan has written about these harrowing experiences in his new memoir SLONIM WOODS 9 A stunning firsthand account of the creation of a modern cult and the costs paid by its young victims.



In the first half of their two-part conversation, Daniel shares with Rachel how he first came into contact with Larry Ray the dangerous cult leader, currently on federal trial for sex trafficking, extortion, conspiracy, and a string of other crimes. He discusses how Larry was able to evade detection on campus even while living in dormitories. Together Rachel and Daniel examine what he was feeling as he fell under the control of this manipulative and dangerous man, pointing out the red flags and explaining what prevented him from seeing them at the time.




Before you go: Rachel addresses the most asked question cult survivors get; "why did you stay"? with regard to Daniel but also in general pointing out the commonalities of those who linger in abusive situations.




More info on the ongoing trial against Larry Ray:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/04/04/larry-ray-sex-cult-sarah-lawrence/




Find Dan's book Slonim Woods 9 here:
https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/634501/slonim-woods-9-by-daniel-barban-levin/




Find Rachel's book "Now I Know: Kids Talking To Kids About Divorce..." here:
www.amazon.com/Now-I-Know-Rachel…ein/dp/1620867893




Thanks to all of our newest Patreon supporters:
Sarah, Joel H. Dinolt, Heidi Turner, Carla Gates, Emily Peoples, Eila, Stephanie Rogers, Ash Odish, Lauren Hoffman, Jessica, Viele Wege, DTarpley, Susanna Stromberg, Amanda M, Ann Deslandes, Christina Pearl, Sharon Stasney,Jennifer Dixon, Katharine Allen and nikkita08!!




To help support the show monthly and get bonus episodes, shirts, and tote bags, please visit:
www.patreon.com/indoctrination



Prefer to support the IndoctriNation show with a one-time donation? Use this link: www.paypal.me/indoctriNATION



You can help the show for free by leaving a rating on Spotify or Apple/ iTunes. It really helps the visibility of the show!

A Master Class in Manipulation w/ Daniel Barban Levin Pt. 1

Sat Pavan Kaur was born into the 3HO community and Sikh Religion. She spent her childhood moving around to various 3HO communities. At the age of 8, she was sent to India with 120 other children to go to boarding school leaving her family back in the US. At 16, she would be taken out of school and join Yogi Bajan's personal staff. 

In the last couple of years, she has left the Cult but stayed within the greater Sikh community. She is one of the many women that was abused by Yogi Bhajan. She has had to unravel her life, the good, the bad, and the horror that she experienced growing up in the 3HO community; the abuse she was subjected to, the toll it took on her and her husband, and the clear choices she made to raise her children differently from how she was raised.

Sat Pavan now lives with her two children and husband of 27 years, raising her family and working hard to be a good person and do good in the world around her. She has been teaching and performing dance for the last 30 years to people of all ages and backgrounds, and is passionate about teaching and inspiring creativity, confidence, and individuality in her students, especially the younger generation which has been a hugely positive outlet for her.

Satpavan is also a musician who plays Kirtan and has played Sikh religious music since she was a young girl and continues to do so. Her music, along with dance has kept her going by providing a sense of healing throughout her life.

In this intimate conversation, Sat Pavan shares a full portrait of her life being born into the 3HO cult, from how her parents were pulled in to her childhood development as she was whisked away from one unsafe situation to another. Sat expertly points out the key moments of indoctrination, suffering, and, red flags she experienced throughout her decades involved with 3HO and it's monstrous guru.

Throughout her story, Rachel offers insights from a psychological perspective to help explain the cult dynamics at play in her experiences and together they look forward to the healing that is to come in the future.


Before You Go: Rachel explains why people who have survived intense trauma compartmentalize their emotions and often seem to downplay their suffering outwardly. She warns of the "realization trauma" that can occur as survivors uncover their own reality for the first time.

For more information on Sikhism, Sat Pavan recommends these healthy organizations run by good people whose voices represent the Sikh community:

Khalsa Aid, Sikh Coalition, Sikh Legal Defense Fund, Valerie Kaur, Art by Ruby, Ramblings of a Sikh, Khalra Mission 

You can see the documentary The Dark Empire of Yogi Bhajan | True Believers here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfr5jKauwtE

Hear our episode with Jules Hartley on her 3HO experience here:

https://soundcloud.com/indoctrinationshow/jules-hartley?utm_source=clipboard&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=social_sharing

Hear our episodes with Phillip Deslipe and Stacie Stukin on the Olive Branch Report here:

Part 1: https://soundcloud.com/indoctrinationshow/stacy-phillip-pt-1

Part 2: https://soundcloud.com/indoctrinationshow/stacy-phillip-pt-2-revised

Read Stacie's groundbreaking article on YB's abuses here:
https://www.lamag.com/citythinkblog/yogi-bhajan/

Thanks to all of our newest Patreon supporters:

Amelia Brunner, Jon Butler, Ashley Moose and 4MileCircus !!!

To help support the show monthly and get bonus episodes, shirts, and tote bags, please visit:
www.patreon.com/indoctrination

Prefer to support the IndoctriNation show with a one-time donation? Use this link:

www.paypal.me/indoctrination

You can help the show for free by leaving a rating on Spotify or Apple/ iTunes. It really helps the visibility of the show!

The Chaos & Contradiction of 3HO w/ Satpavan Kaur Khalsa pt. 1

Sam Jahara is a UKCP Registered Psychotherapist and Tavistock certified Executive Coach with a private practice in Brighton, South-East England. She became a psychotherapist as a result of coming to terms with several aspects of her upbringing, mainly linked with cultural identity as well as being raised by parents who were involved in a cult. Sam grew up primarily in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil but moved around a lot because of her parent’s involvement with their guru Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh (later renamed Osho). From age 6 she lived in communes dotted across Europe, including the UK, and life was chaotic and unsettling. After leaving the cult in her late 20s, she spent many years trying to make sense of her profound experiences of lack of belonging and a sense of identity, stemming from being both an immigrant and an ex-cult member. As with many cults, children are usually seen as objects, a hindrance, or treated as little adults. Abuse and neglect are common through the encouragement of separation of parents and children. Now in her late 40s, she is still making sense of some of these experiences and using her training and knowledge to continue to understand cults, cult leaders, and what makes people follow them. 

In this insightful conversation, the two therapists examine the impact that neglectful parents can have on the development of children through the lens of Sam's own perspective of being raised in an Osho commune as a young child. Together, Rachel and Sam go on to discuss the cultural identity issues that are often present in people who were raised in cults and how it relates also to those who had unstable living conditions as children. Sam offers a thoughtful analysis of her parents' motives in joining Osho's cultic community and opens up about the emotional complexities inherent in her relationships with her family today.

Before You Go: Rachel further examines her concept of a spiritual placebo, explaining it can decieve followers into sacrificing the power of their own autonomy and makes them vulnerable to dependence on a guru figure.

Links:
https://www.brightonandhovepsychotherapy.com
https://www.instagram.com/brightonhovepsychotherapy/
https://twitter.com/brightonpsych
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCYz7Fl2DxxATFLmN-RFRIsQ
https://www.linkedin.com/in/samjahara/

You can sign up for Rachel's webinar series LIVING IN FREEDOM here:

rachelbernsteintherapy.com/webinar.html

Thanks to all of our newest Patreon supporters:

Eike, Kate Davison, Ingjerd Langnes, Carrie Jacobson, Katherine Walsh, Samantha Gee, Michael Call, Aleka, Emanuele Monica, Michele Yaddaw, Kateland Harte, Berit Anderson, SarahJane, Dawn Haltom, Jennifer Wright, Emma Buchbinder, and, Claire Pittman!

To help support the show monthly and get bonus episodes, shirts, and tote bags, please visit:

www.patreon.com/indoctrination

Prefer to support the IndoctriNation show with a one-time donation? Use this link:

www.paypal.me/indoctrination

You can help the show for free by leaving a rating on Spotify or Apple/ iTunes. It really helps the visibility of the show!

In My Father's Footsteps, Following Rajneesh w/Sam Jahara

Sarah Landry is a Canadian jewelry artist who has made it her mission in life to expose the criminal activity of “Nithyananda,” a con artist whom she once called “guru. Sarah spent nine years in a destructive cult led by the fraudulent "swami" She fell into the trap of this dangerous organization in Vancouver in 2009, believing it to be a yoga and meditation academy. Once in, the group tightened control over her life to the point that she was pressured to take the vow of monasticism in 2015, at the age of 30, and only then, discovered the darkness behind the scenes. In 2018, she learned that children living in the ashram were regularly beaten, starved, sleep deprived, and verbally berated as punishment for failure to perform onstage and con people out of money through the demonstration of fake "third eye powers." It took her a year to deprogram and get the courage to speak out, but on September 11, 2019, she went public with a post on Facebook and a video on YouTube detailing the child abuse. Since then, Sarah has been the target of a massive character assassination attempt by the group she once wholeheartedly served. They have called her an agent of the Catholic church and accused her of such crimes as the attempted assassination of the cult leader, rape, war profiteering, and genocide. She is (obviously) innocent of all these trumped-up accusations, and much to the chagrin of those trying to silence her, she continues to speak out against the crimes and abuse of Nithyananda and his brainwashed followers.


Sarah returns to the show to update Rachel on the ongoing saga of a dangerous cult leader still on the run from INTERPOL and the Indian authorities, she explains what it's been like coping with the attacks on her by the cult's followers as she almost singlehandedly raises awareness of Nithyananda in the mainstream media in an effort to finally bring justice to the numerous victims of his, many of whom have been suffering in silence because of the vindictive attacks whistleblowers receive.


Before you Go: Rachel explains how cult leaders will deflect accusations by personally attacking the accusers, often by labeling them as "attention seekers" in an effort to distract the public from their criminal and immoral activity.


Listen to Sarah's previous conversations with Rachel here:
https://soundcloud.com/indoctrinationshow/sets/sarah-landry-indoctrination


Find more information on Sarah's website here:
https://www.sarahlandry.ca/


You can purchase Rachel's webinar series LIVING IN FREEDOM here:

rachelbernsteintherapy.com/webinar.html


To help support the show monthly and get bonus episodes, shirts, and tote bags, please visit:

www.patreon.com/indoctrination


Prefer to support the IndoctriNation show with a one-time donation? Use this link:

http://www.paypal.me/indoctrination


Connect with us on Social Media:

Twitter:
https://twitter.com/_indoctrination

Facebook:
https://www.facebook.com/indoctrinationpodcast

Tik Tok:
https://www.tiktok.com/@indoctrinationpodcast

Instagram:
https://www.instagram.com/indoctrinationpodcast/

YouTube:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC67JLTD22dSnVadqXKcYPcA


You can always help the show for free by leaving a rating on Spotify or a review on Apple/ iTunes. It really helps the visibility of the show!

The Tyrant Behind The Mask w/Sarah Landry

Sue Winter is a modern linguist who holds two graduate degrees, one from the University of London, and another from UWE Bristol. She taught for over 44 years in a variety of settings in both mainstream and specialist teams for vulnerable young people. Sue has multiple cultic experiences from religious to corporate to interpersonal, including both parental and spousal abuse. She became involved in Fruitful Vine Ministries, an Australian charismatic group, led by a female apostle prophet. After leaving that group she unknowingly “cult hopped” volunteering for a UK-based commercial hiking company which she only recently realized was employing many cult-like practices. She is now an E.S.O.L examiner and a group leader for a U.S. not-for-profit organization. Sue has a passion for language and speaks French, Spanish, German, Catalan, and Arabic.



In this complex and engaging discussion, Sue opens up to Rachel about the plethora of cultic experiences she endured throughout her lifetime. Together they draw connections between the various high-control situations she found herself in. Rahel and Sue go on to point out the commonalities of Sue's experiences, pointing out the similarity in the methods of control.



Before You Go: Rachel examines the resilience of those who survive multiple cult experiences and offers her insights on how to stay conscious of the potential to "Cult Hop"



All of Rachel's free informational PDF documents are available here:

www.rachelbernsteintherapy.com/pdf.html

All of Rachel's video lectures are available for purchase here:

www.rachelbernsteintherapy.com/webinar.html

To help support the show monthly and get bonus episodes, shirts, and tote bags, please visit:

www.patreon.com/indoctrination

Prefer to support the IndoctriNation show with a one-time donation? Use this link:

www.paypal.me/indoctrination

Connect with us on Social Media:

Twitter:
twitter.com/_indoctrination

Facebook:
www.facebook.com/indoctrinationpodcast

Tik Tok:
www.tiktok.com/@indoctrinationpodcast

Instagram:
www.instagram.com/indoctrinationpodcast/

YouTube:
www.youtube.com/rachelbernsteinlmft

You can always help the show for free by leaving a rating on Spotify or a review on Apple/ iTunes. It really helps the visibility of the show!

The Language Of Control w/Sue Winter

Beth McNamara is a Los Angeles-based television and documentary producer with over 25 years of experience in content development and production of more than 100 hours of entertainment garnering her two Emmy Nominations. Beth co-produced the 2018 Sundance documentary feature: INVENTING TOMORROW which won multiple awards including a 2019 Peabody. Currently, Beth is the Creator and Executive Producer of the multi-season investigative podcast: MURDER AT RYAN’S RUN which does a 50-year deep dive into the Philadelphia-based group known as MOVE. The indie podcast features exclusive insider sources that expose MOVE to be a destructive and deceptive cult that controlled, abused, and terrorized them. In addition to working on a book about MOVE, Beth is also developing other stories as documentary films, podcast series, television series, and movies. 



In this revelatory and rare interview with journalist Beth McNamara, you'll hear Beth reveal behind-the-scenes details from her investigation into the cult dynamics of the supposed Black Liberation group MOVE. Throughout the discussion, Rachel and Beth offer their insights into the harm neglectful parents and unofficial guardians needlessly inflict on children in cultic groups. They go on to discuss how MOVE hijacked the narrative about their group and avoided any legal consequences from their child endangerment and criminal intimidation.



Before You Go: Rachel breaks down the manipulation inherent in calling the child victims of the horrific MOVE bombing "Revolutionary Martyrs"



You can find more info about Beth and her podcast at: https://www.murderatryansrun.com/



All of Rachel's free informational PDF documents are available here:

www.rachelbernsteintherapy.com/pdf.html

All of Rachel's video lectures are available for purchase here:

www.rachelbernsteintherapy.com/webinar.html

To help support the show monthly and get bonus episodes, shirts, and tote bags, please visit:

www.patreon.com/indoctrination

Prefer to support the IndoctriNation show with a one-time donation? Use this link:

www.paypal.me/indoctrination

Connect with us on Social Media:

Twitter:
twitter.com/_indoctrination

Facebook:
www.facebook.com/indoctrinationpodcast

Tik Tok:
www.tiktok.com/@indoctrinationpodcast

Instagram:
www.instagram.com/indoctrinationpodcast/

YouTube:
www.youtube.com/rachelbernsteinlmft

You can always help the show for free by leaving a rating on Spotify or a review on Apple/ iTunes. It really helps the visibility of the show

Murder At Ryan's Run w/Beth McNamara

David Hayward AKA NakedPastor is a former pastor turned artist and author whose work encourages seeking one's authentic self, religious deconstruction, and freedom of thought. He holds a Masters degree in Theological Studies, as well as Diplomas in Religious Studies and Ministry. David resides in Eastern Coastal Canada where the natural surroundings have helped him to find inner peace within the natural world as he pursues his art full time which he has done for the past decade.



The idea of NakedPastor has since grown into a diverse global community of independent thinkers who support each other on their journey to personal spiritual freedom. Committed to truth, authenticity, and understanding, he supports LGBTQ+ people and groups, BIPOC, and women artists, and he encourages his fans to do the same. David is probably best known for his cartoons which in their powerful simplicity speak louder than words and go straight to the heart. Through these cartoons, he challenges problematic norms in religious spaces and life in general. They inspire, provoke, and start difficult conversations. 



In this thoughtful and revealing conversation, David shares some of the deeply personal insights that inform his artwork. Together he and Rachel explore what healthy spiritual seeking looks like and point out the ways in which people often get stuck. Throughout the discussion, Rachel and David offer advice on personal and philosophical growth from their respective experiences and traditions.



Before You Go: Rachel emphasizes the importance of self-expression and explains how high-control organizations hinder individual assertion to ensure conformity among members.



You can find David's cartoons, art, books, and newsletter on his website, http://www.nakedpastor.com

David is offering a 10% discount to our listeners! Just use the discount code PODCAST at checkout. 

Check out his work on Instagram here:
https://www.instagram.com/nakedpastor/

All of Rachel's free informational PDF documents are available here:
www.rachelbernsteintherapy.com/pdf.html

All of Rachel's video lectures are available for purchase here:

https://rachelbernsteintherapy.com/videos.html

To help support the show monthly and get bonus episodes, shirts, and tote bags, please visit:

www.patreon.com/indoctrination

Prefer to support the IndoctriNation show with a one-time donation? Use this link:

www.paypal.me/indoctrination

Connect with us on Social Media:

Twitter:
twitter.com/_indoctrination

Facebook:
www.facebook.com/indoctrinationpodcast

Tik Tok:
www.tiktok.com/@indoctrinationpodcast

Instagram:
www.instagram.com/indoctrinationpodcast/

YouTube:
www.youtube.com/rachelbernsteinlmft

You can always help the show for free by leaving a rating on Spotify or a review on Apple/ iTunes. It really helps the visibility of the show

NakedPastor w/David Hayward

Matt and Tawni Browning are the authors of the new book "The Hate Next Door: Undercover within the New Face of White Supremacy" Matt is an internationally recognized authority on the inner workings of white supremacy groups. As an undercover detective for more than two decades in Arizona, Browning has been infiltrating, documenting, and disrupting White supremacy movements from the inside, gaining an intimate vantage point to the KKK, border militias, Proud Boys, and other White power groups, as they organized and grew their ranks which included police force and military veterans. 

Together with his intrepid wife, Tawni, he adopted fake IDs and ideologies, seeking the arrest of hate group participants. What others dismissed as fringe groups, Browning quickly recognized as large and interconnected organizations permeating every facet of American society, effectively spreading their dangerous and repugnant rhetoric at unprecedented speeds. 

Tawni Browning considers herself first and foremost a mother of five. Beyond that, she was the Supervising and Casting Producer for A&E’s “Escaping Polygamy,” a series documenting the trials and struggles of individuals attempting to leave the cult life of polygamy. 

For years, Tawni has been assisting her husband in the investigations of numerous skinhead organizations. With her covert investigative tactics, Tawni was instrumental in the “shutting down” of one of the world's largest and most violent skinhead organizations. Tawni continues to gather intelligence on various individuals and religious extremists throughout the world.

The series “Escaping Polygamy” is airing now on A&E and Matt and Tawni’s new book “ The Hate Next Door“ is available on Amazon and at local bookstores.

In this inspiring and important discussion, Matt and Tawni share fascinating details of their personal and professional lives dedicated to fighting hate and authoritarianism respectively. Throughout the conversation the couple detail the similarities between white supremacist and fundamentalist Christian ideology, offering meaningful insight into de-radicalization and healing modalities.



You can find out more about Matt and Tawni’s work at:
https://www.mattandtawni.com/

All of Rachel's free informational PDF documents are available here:
www.rachelbernsteintherapy.com/pdf.html

All of Rachel's video lectures are available for purchase here:

rachelbernsteintherapy.com/videos.html

To help support the show monthly and get bonus episodes, shirts, and tote bags, please visit:

www.patreon.com/indoctrination

Prefer to support the IndoctriNation show with a one-time donation? Use this link:

www.paypal.me/indoctrination

Connect with us on Social Media:

Twitter:
twitter.com/_indoctrination

Facebook:
www.facebook.com/indoctrinationpodcast

Tik Tok:
www.tiktok.com/@indoctrinationpodcast

Instagram:
www.instagram.com/indoctrinationpodcast/

YouTube:
www.youtube.com/rachelbernsteinlmft

You can always help the show for free by leaving a rating on Spotify or a review on Apple/ iTunes. It really helps the visibility of the show!

The Hate Next Door w/Matt & Tawni Browning

Mike Rinder was raised as a Scientologist from early childhood. He went on to serve as Scientology’s international spokesperson and as the head of its Office of Special Affairs and was a member of the Board of Directors of Church of Scientology International from its creation in 1983 until he left in 2007. Since renouncing Scientology, Rinder has become a prominent whistleblower against its abuses. He appeared in the HBO documentary Going Clear and cohosted all three seasons of the Emmy Award–winning show Leah Remini: Scientology and the Aftermath on A&E.  Mike is currently the host of the new podcast Exposing Scientology. His latest book A Billion Years: My Escape From a Life in the Highest Ranks of Scientology is now available on paperback.



In this highly informative discussion, Mike explains in detail the deceptive nature of Scientology’s recruiting tactics and outlines the nefarious ways in which its leaders exert control over their followers.

Before You Go: Rachel breaks down the harmful Scientology concept of the “reactive” mind explaining how it attempts to weaken emotional safeguards in followers.


All of Rachel's free informational PDF documents are available here:
www.rachelbernsteintherapy.com/pdf.html

All of Rachel's video lectures are available for purchase here:

rachelbernsteintherapy.com/videos.html

To help support the show monthly and get bonus episodes, shirts, and tote bags, please visit:

www.patreon.com/indoctrination

Prefer to support the IndoctriNation show with a one-time donation? Use this link:

www.paypal.me/indoctrination

Connect with us on Social Media:

Twitter:
twitter.com/_indoctrination

Facebook:
www.facebook.com/indoctrinationpodcast

Tik Tok:
www.tiktok.com/@indoctrinationpodcast

Instagram:
www.instagram.com/indoctrinationpodcast/

YouTube:
www.youtube.com/rachelbernsteinlmft

You can always help the show for free by leaving a rating on Spotify or a review on Apple/ iTunes. It really helps the visibility of the show!

Scientology's Dirty Tricks w/ Mike Rinder

Uriah Wesman is a multiple-cult survivor, and one-liner comedian turned comedic storyteller. Early in his career, he was hesitant to speak about the cultic involvement of his childhood, but now after nearly 8 years of performing and producing hundreds of comedy shows he’s found a way to transmute the pain of his childhood into laughter and catharsis.



Uriah is now laser-focused on taking those darkest parts of his childhood and bringing them to light with his new one-man show called “Three Cults Walk Into A Bar” Where he brings levity to his difficult circumstances growing up in three different cults, being kidnapped as a child and recovering from a near-death experience.  The debut performance of his show is on Saturday, May 11th at the Lyric Hyperion Theater in Los Angeles.



In this compelling episode, Rachel has a profound conversation with Uriah, who shares his journey from being born into the Church Universal and Triumphant – where his life was dictated by the whims of a leader – to his tumultuous family dynamics and his struggle to find his own identity. His story is a tapestry of harrowing experiences, including being kidnapped by his mother and surviving a near-death experience, all of which he's now bravely turning into a source of laughter and healing through his one-man show "Three Cults Walk into a Bar."



Follw Uriah on Social Media:

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/uriahjokes/



YouTube:https://youtube.com/@UriahWesman?si=Rrd7s2P7S9LMo0Uj




Purchase Tickets to Uriah’s show here:
https://www.eventbrite.com/e/three-cults-walk-into-a-bar-tickets-726865222447?aff=oddtdtcreator




IndoctriNation Podcast Discussion Group:
www.facebook.com/groups/2359873534281759/

All of Rachel's free informational PDF documents are available here:
www.rachelbernsteintherapy.com/pdf.html

All of Rachel's video lectures are available for purchase here:

www.rachelbernsteintherapy.com/videos.html

To help support the show monthly and get bonus episodes, shirts, and tote bags, please visit:

www.patreon.com/indoctrination

Prefer to support the IndoctriNation show with a one-time donation? Use this link:

www.paypal.me/indoctrination

Connect with us on Social Media:

Twitter:
twitter.com/_indoctrination

Facebook:
www.facebook.com/indoctrinationpodcast

Tik Tok:
www.tiktok.com/@indoctrinationpodcast

Instagram:
www.instagram.com/indoctrinationpodcast/

YouTube:
www.youtube.com/rachelbernsteinlmft

You can always help the show for free by leaving a rating on Spotify or a review on Apple/ iTunes

3 Cults Walk Into A Bar...w/Uriah Wesman

This is just a preview of our Patreon exclusive bonus episode. You can hear the full episode by becoming a member at:

https://www.patreon.com/indoctrination



In this special bonus episode, Rachel dives deep into the dark and often hidden world of children’s television. Inspired by the recent docuseries "Quiet on Set: The Dark Side of Kids TV," she explores the unhealthy culture plaguing TV and movie sets, particularly those involving child actors.




From the #MeToo movement to the power dynamics that create toxic environments, this episode sheds light on the harrowing experiences many young actors have faced. Rachel discusses the psychological responses to abuse, the culture of silence and intimidation, and the need for major industry reforms.



Watch the trailer for Quiet on Set: The Dark Side of Kids TV:   

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rav5QVDs6ks




Thanks to all of our Patreon supporters for making this episode possible!!

BONUS EPISODE PREVIEW: Behind the Curtains of Kids' TV

Returning guest, Jonathon Sawyer is a Ph.D. candidate at the University of Colorado Boulder. Working with the National Education Policy Center, Jon researches public and private education. Through his in-progress dissertation, Jon explores pressing tensions between the right to religious freedom and the separation of church and state, focusing on taxpayer-supported religious schools.



Motivated by life-defining experiences in a school associated with the early years of the New Apostolic Reformation, Jon is particularly attentive to LGBTQ students who are subjected to religiously motivated discrimination. Through his work, Jon aims to educate his academic community and the public on the discrimination some LGBTQ youth may experience in taxpayer-supported religious schools. He also explores how religious extremism radicalizes youth against democracy. Jon has also presented research on civil rights, education policy, and religion at the annual conference of the American Educational Research Association.




Jonathan shares alarming details about how billions of taxpayer dollars are flowing into religious schools that may be radicalizing youth against democratic values. He discusses the rhetoric of demons and exorcism practices that are prevalent in some charismatic and Pentecostal Christian communities. These practices not only harm the psychological well-being of individuals but also pose a threat to the democratic fabric of our society.

Rachel and Jonathan explore the concept of "self-invisibility," a term Jonathan uses to describe individuals who, due to extreme religious indoctrination, become invisible to themselves. This phenomenon can lead to a perpetuation of discrimination and harm, as those who are indoctrinated may go on to discriminate against others.

The episode also touches on the broader societal implications of religious extremism. Jonathan warns against the language used by some political and religious leaders, which can often be dismissed as hyperbole but has real-world consequences. He emphasizes the need for both thoughtful liberals and conservatives to recognize and address these issues.



You can find out more about Jon and his work at:
https://www.jonsawyer.org




Connect with us on Social Media:

Twitter: twitter.com/_indoctrination

Facebook: facebook.com/indoctrinationpodcast

Instagram: instagram.com/indoctrinationpodcast

YouTube: youtube.com/rachelbernsteinlmft

To help support the show and get access to exclusive content, please visit: patreon.com/indoctrination

Your reviews and ratings on Spotify and Apple/iTunes are greatly appreciated and help the show reach a wider audience.

Religious Extremism in Schools w/Jonathon Sawyer

Ryan George spent the first 20 years of his life in a cult, attending a series of Independent Fundamental Baptist churches including one where his dad was the pastor, whose word was the ultimate authority. It wasn’t until Ryan was confronted with the truth that his father was a serial sexual abuser hiding his sins behind Bible verses, that Ryan realized his faith was built on a foundation of lies. He’s spent the last 25 years reevaluating what he truly believes, and miraculously, while he left the spiritually abusive IFB movement, he didn’t leave behind his faith altogether.  


In this episode, Ryan recounts his experience of confronting his father and the complex path of untangling his personal faith from the harmful tenets of American fundamentalism and the teachings of Bill Gothard. Despite the spiritual and physical abuse he endured, Ryan managed to reconstruct his faith and find redemption. His new book, "Hurt and Healed by the Church: Redemption and Reconstruction After Spiritual Abuse," delves into these experiences and his journey toward healing.



Rachel and Ryan also explore the broader implications of abuse within religious settings and how it impacts families and communities. Ryan's story is a powerful reminder of the importance of speaking out and finding one's own path to healing and faith.



Connect with us on Social Media:

Twitter: twitter.com/_indoctrination

Facebook: facebook.com/indoctrinationpodcast

Instagram: instagram.com/indoctrinationpodcast

YouTube: youtube.com/rachelbernsteinlmft


Your reviews and ratings on Spotify and Apple/iTunes are greatly appreciated and help the show reach a wider audience.

Hurt & Healed By The Church w/Ryan George

Daniel Schricker is a composer and writer based in Adelaide, Australia. He completed undergraduate and postgraduate studies at the University of Adelaide, being awarded a PhD in 2020. In addition to his doctoral research in music composition, his academic interests include cults and fringe religious organizations. Some of his recent writings explore the theological and psychological aspects of high-control groups, leading to guest appearances on cult-themed podcasts in Australia, the UK, and South Africa. He was also a presenter at the 2023 International Cultic Studies Association Conference where he discussed some of his experiences growing up in KwaSizabantu and his role in pursuing justice for survivors of the group.



Daniel provides a detailed overview of Kwasizabantu's origins in South Africa, its expansion into Europe, and the oppressive practices within the group, especially regarding their extreme views on confession and courtship. He also discusses his involvement in recent investigations and his efforts to raise awareness about the group's harmful practices.


The conversation shifts to the role of fear in the group's theology, the brutal treatment of children, and the psychological impact on members. Daniel explains how the group's belief system diverges from mainstream Christianity and the importance of distinguishing between healthy and unhealthy religious practices.


Rachel and Daniel also explore the influence of online figures like Lori Alexander, who promotes a hyper-patriarchal version of Christianity. Daniel shares his insights on how such online ministries can exhibit cult-like characteristics and the dangers they pose to their followers.

Read Daniel's article on The Transformed Wife and more on his blog:
https://revivalreviewed.wordpress.com/2024/04/09/the-cult-of-lori-alexander-the-transformed-wife/



Connect with Us on Social Media:


Twitter: www.twitter.com/_indoctrination

Facebook: www.facebook.com/indoctrinationpodcast

Instagram: www.instagram.com/indoctrinationpodcast

YouTube: www.youtube.com/rachelbernsteinlmft

Your reviews and ratings on Spotify and Apple/iTunes are greatly appreciated and help the show reach a wider audience.

Coercion Confession and Control w/Daniel Schricker

Joel Looper is an adjunct professor at Baylor University and the author of the new book, Another Gospel: Christian Nationalism and the Crisis of Evangelical Identity in which he offers his fellow evangelicals a unique theological argument for resisting Christian nationalism. Using church history, Scriptural reasoning, and even analysis of Russian Christian nationalism. The book argues that another gospel, (which is actually not the gospel at all), has colonized American evangelicalism, explaining that decolonization requires a renewal of the Church’s own gospel-centered political vision.



Joel delves into the complexities of Christian nationalism, its impact on American evangelicalism, and the theological arguments against it. He shares insights from his book, discusses the importance of community, and reflects on the upcoming 2024 election's potential consequences for evangelical identity.

Throughout the episode, Rachel and Joel explore the nuances of Christian nationalism and the importance of differentiating its various definitions. They stress the need for open dialogue and critical thinking to navigate these complex issues.

You can find out more about Joel and his work at:
https://www.joellooper.com



Connect with Us on Social Media:

Twitter: www.twitter.com/_indoctrination

Facebook: www.facebook.com/indoctrinationpodcast

Instagram: www.instagram.com/indoctrinationpodcast

YouTube: www.youtube.com/rachelbernsteinlmft


Help Support The Show on Patreon:

www.patreon.com/indoctrination

Your reviews and ratings on Spotify and Apple/iTunes are greatly appreciated and help the show reach a wider audience.

Share Your Feedback With Us Here:

https://forms.gle/tz8eQwZorVNWWyQq6

Another Gospel w/Joel Looper

Annie Dawid is an award-winning author and professor who teaches creative writing at University College, of Denver. She is a professor of English and Director of Creative Writing at Lewis & Clark College in Portland, OR. 

Her latest novel PARADISE UNDONE: A NOVEL OF JONESTOWN is a historical fiction of the infamous tragedy that took place in Guyana 45 years ago, it is a sensitive account of 4 people whose lives were deeply impacted by cult leader Jim Jones. The book was published on November 18th, 2023 the 45th anniversary of the Jonestown massacre, and has been received with high praise from cult experts including some of our past guests Jon Atak, and Joe Szimhart. 



In this compelling episode, Annie brings a unique perspective to the tragic story of Jonestown. She emphasizes the importance of focusing on the victims rather than the infamous leader, Jim Jones, and sheds light on the often-overlooked narratives of those who lived through the ordeal.



Annie discusses her latest book, which took two decades to publish, and her journey to uncover the stories of Jonestown's victims. She introduces us to key figures like Marceline Baldwin Jones, Jim Jones' wife, and other protagonists who provide a broader understanding of the People's Temple and its impact on its members and the country of Guyana.


Rachel and Annie delve into the complexities of cult dynamics, the role of women in the People's Temple, and the psychological manipulation employed by Jim Jones. They also explore the broader implications of such movements and the importance of remembering the humanity of those who were lost.



You can find out more about Annie and her work at:
www.anniedawid.com



Connect with Us on Social Media:

Twitter: www.twitter.com/_indoctrination

Facebook: www.facebook.com/indoctrinationpodcast

Instagram: www.instagram.com/indoctrinationpodcast

YouTube: www.youtube.com/rachelbernsteinlmft



Share Your Feedback With Us Here:

forms.gle/tz8eQwZorVNWWyQq6

Your reviews and ratings on Spotify and Apple/iTunes are greatly appreciated and help the show reach a wider audience.

Paradise Undone w/Annie Dawid

Elle Hardy is an Australian-born journalist mostly based in New Orleans. She has covered stories from every continent on earth, from North Korea to the backwoods of Alabama.



Her writing credits include The Guardian, The Times, GQ, Vice, and more. Elle also appeared alongside Rachel, in the documentary Hillsong: A Megachurch Exposed, which uncovered the scandals of the “hip celebrity church”. Elle also went on to co-host the podcast series False Profits A personal journey into the heart of Hillsong Megachurch.



Her first book exposes the Pentecostal agenda: not just saving souls but also transforming societies and controlling politics. She is currently working on her second book, about the Unification Church (also known as the Moonies), for Simon & Schuster.



Rachel and Elle dive into a wide range of topics, including the global influence of Pentecostalism, the troubling rise of surveillance and data harvesting by religious groups, and the political shifts within evangelical and Catholic circles in the United States. Elle shares her insights on how these movements differ across countries and the implications of these differences.



Elle discusses the unsettling trend of evangelical groups using apps to track and target individuals for conversion, revealing the potential dangers of such data being used by malicious actors. The conversation also touches on the political rightward shift among evangelicals and Catholics, the role of women in these movements, and the broader societal impacts of these trends.


This episode is a must-listen for anyone interested in understanding the complexities of modern religious movements and their far-reaching effects on society and politics.


You can learn more about Elle and her work at ellehardy.com.


Connect with Us on Social Media:



Twitter: www.twitter.com/_indoctrination

Facebook: www.facebook.com/indoctrinationpodcast

Instagram: www.instagram.com/indoctrinationpodcast

YouTube: www.youtube.com/rachelbernsteinlmft



Share Your Feedback With Us Here:

forms.gle/tz8eQwZorVNWWyQq6


Your reviews and ratings on Spotify and Apple/iTunes are greatly appreciated and help the show reach a wider audience.

Surveillance and Salvation w/Elle Hardy

Aimee Byrd is an author, speaker, blogger, and podcaster. She has written several books including Recovering from Biblical Manhood and Womanhood, and Sexual Reformation. Her latest work, The Hope In Our Scars peels back the Christian church’s underlying and pervasive theology of power, to face the shame that lurks there. Having trodden her own path of disillusionment, Aimee invites the reader to find faith amidst the chaos of the church’s status quo. 



Rachel and Aimee discuss a wide range of topics, including the challenges Aimee faced within the church, the spiritual abuse she endured, and the impact of these experiences on her family. Aimee shares her personal story of navigating through public attacks and the trauma of being vilified by church leaders. She also talks about the importance of naming wounds, the significance of scars, both visible and invisible, and the role of community in healing.



This episode is a must-listen for anyone interested in understanding the complexities of spiritual abuse, the process of healing, and the power of hope and resilience. Aimee's story is a testament to the strength required to stand up against systemic issues within religious institutions.



You can find out more about Aimee and her work here:
https://aimeebyrd.com/



Connect with Us on Social Media:

Twitter: www.twitter.com/_indoctrination

Facebook: www.facebook.com/indoctrinationpodcast

Instagram: www.instagram.com/indoctrinationpodcast

YouTube: www.youtube.com/rachelbernsteinlmft


Share Your Feedback With Us Here: forms.gle/tz8eQwZorVNWWyQq6


Your reviews and ratings on Spotify and Apple/iTunes are greatly appreciated and help the show reach a wider audience.

The Hope In Our Scars w/Aimee Byrd

R. Scott Okamoto is a fourth-generation Japanese American author, musician, and college professor from Pasadena, California. Scott is the host of the Chapel Probation podcast and the author of the new book, "Asian American Apostate: Losing Religion and Finding Myself at an Evangelical University." His work provides a wry and ironic insight into how America's evangelical schools encourage rigid social structures and white cultural power, rather than fostering a life of the mind.



Rachel and Scott delve into his personal journey of growing up in a deeply evangelical environment and his experiences as a professor at an evangelical university. Scott shares the complexities of his deconstruction process, the challenges he faced questioning the status quo, and the systemic issues within evangelical institutions, including racism, sexism, and homophobia. 



He also discusses the impact of his family's history, particularly their experiences in Japanese internment camps during World War II, on his own beliefs and identity. Scott's insights offer a powerful testament to the importance of questioning and the courage it takes to confront deeply entrenched systems of power and control. 

Learn more about Scott and his work at: 
www.rscottokamoto.com



Connect with Us on Social Media:

- Twitter: www.twitter.com/_indoctrination
- Facebook: www.facebook.com/indoctrinationpodcast
- Instagram: www.instagram.com/indoctrinationpodcast
- YouTube: www.youtube.com/rachelbernsteinlmft



Your reviews and ratings on Spotify and Apple/iTunes are greatly appreciated and help the show reach a wider audience.

Asian American Apostate w/R. Scott Okamoto

This is just a preview of our Patreon exclusive Bonus Episode. You can hear the full episode by becoming a member at:
https://www.patreon.com/indoctrination



Rachel dives deep into the concept of DARVO - Deny, Attack, and Reverse Victim and Offender - a term that sheds light on the manipulative tactics often used by abusers to deflect blame and undermine their victims. In this enlightening bonus episode, she breaks down each component of DARVO, illustrating how these tactics are employed and their psychological impact on victims.

Rachel explains how abusers deny their harmful actions, attack the victim's credibility, and reverse roles to portray themselves as the victim. She shares personal anecdotes and examples to highlight the real-world application of DARVO, including the disturbing practices within certain fundamentalist groups and toxic men's movements.

This episode is a must-listen for anyone seeking to understand the dynamics of manipulation and abuse. Rachel offers practical advice on recognizing and responding to DARVO, empowering listeners to protect themselves and support others who may be experiencing similar tactics.

Thank you for your continued support as a subscriber and supporter of the show. Your partnership is invaluable, and we are pleased to offer you these bonus episodes as a token of our appreciation.

Connect with Us on Social Media:

Twitter: www.twitter.com/_indoctrination

Facebook: www.facebook.com/indoctrinationpodcast

Instagram: www.instagram.com/indoctrinationpodcast

YouTube: www.youtube.com/rachelbernsteinlmft

Share Your Feedback With Us Here: forms.gle/tz8eQwZorVNWWyQq6

Your reviews and ratings on Spotify and Apple/iTunes are greatly appreciated and help the show reach a wider audience.

BONUS EPISODE PREVIEW: Understanding DARVO pt. 1

For over 20 years, Anne Peterson devoted herself to Landmark, the training and development company she believed was transforming lives. She even helped launch the public reemergence of the guru behind the organization, Werner Erhard. But ultimately, Anne faced a reckoning. The organization and Erhard were corroding the message that initially sparked her passion. After years of rationalizing away red flags, the harm beneath the surface became undeniable. 




Anne now focuses on helping others navigate personal development without exploitation. Drawing from her experiences to provide guidance on recognizing manipulation, her new book Is This a Cult? Confronting the Line Between Transformation and Exploitation is an inspiring tale of rebuilding integrity in the shadow of charismatic leaders and offers hope to all who wonder whether their quest for growth has a dark side.    



Rachel and Anne delve into Anne's personal journey with Landmark, the emotional complexities of its abuse, and the importance of mental health support for former LGAT members. Throughout the conversation, Anne sheds light on the history of Landmark and its leader from her insider vantage point.
        


Learn more about Anne and her work at:
www.isthisacultbook.com

Info About Anne's Recovery Group Facilitated by Rachel here:
https://ilumn8.life/op/lgat-recovery-group/

Follow Anne on IG:
https://www.instagram.com/annelpeterson/




Connect with Us on Social Media:



 -Twitter: www.twitter.com/_indoctrination
- Facebook: www.facebook.com/indoctrinationpodcast
- Instagram: www.instagram.com/indoctrinationpodcast
- YouTube: www.youtube.com/rachelbernsteinlmft



Your reviews and ratings on Spotify and Apple/iTunes are greatly appreciated and help the show reach a wider audience.

Landmark Whistleblower w/Anne L. Peterson

Scott Homan was raised in the north woods of Wisconsin and found his voice through music and film. His documentary, Witness Underground, highlights the struggles and triumphs of a music community influenced by a cult. Scott shares his journey from being raised in a restrictive environment to discovering the power of self-expression and creativity as a path to healing.



Rachel and Scott delve into the emotional and psychological impact of shunning, the manipulation tactics used by cults, and the importance of finding one’s identity outside of a controlling group. Scott also discusses his experiences in Vietnam, his work with Banana Island Films, and his upcoming participation in the DeCult Conference in New Zealand.

For more information about the Decult Conference, visit:
www.decult.net

For more info on Scott's film "Witness Underground" go to:
https://www.witnessunderground.com



Connect with Us on Social Media:


-Twitter: www.twitter.com/_indoctrination
- Facebook: www.facebook.com/indoctrinationpodcast
- Instagram: www.instagram.com/indoctrinationpodcast
- YouTube: www.youtube.com/rachelbernsteinlmft

Your reviews and ratings on Spotify and Apple/iTunes are greatly appreciated and help the show reach a wider audience.

Witness Underground w/Scott Homan

In this captivating episode, Rachel Bernstein welcomes back Dan Shaw, a distinguished psychotherapist and expert in psychoanalysis specializing in narcissistic abuse and cult survivor recovery. Dan shares his transformative journey from being an actor and missionary to leaving a cultic organization in 1994 and becoming a mental health professional. His extensive training and personal experiences have made him a prominent figure in the field, earning him the prestigious Margaret Singer Award for his work on undue influence.


The episode delves into the intricacies of traumatic narcissism, a theory Dan introduced to the field, which he explores in his acclaimed books. Rachel and Dan discuss the chilling characteristics of narcissistic leaders, the seductive allure of their personalities, and the profound impact they have on their followers. Dan provides insights into recognizing these traits and the importance of boundaries in protecting oneself from manipulative individuals. Listeners are encouraged to reflect on the dynamics of power and control in relationships, whether in cults or personal interactions, and the significance of reclaiming one's voice and autonomy. Dan's upcoming work on traumatic narcissism theory promises to further illuminate these complex issues, offering hope and guidance to those affected by such relationships.



Connect with Dan Shaw:
Website: www.danielshawlcsw.com
Facebook: Daniel Shaw LCSW (Author Page)
Listen to Dan's Previous Episodes here:
https://on.soundcloud.com/1MPVg41KJQ5hya7p7



Connect with Us on Social Media:
Twitter: www.twitter.com/_indoctrination
Facebook: www.facebook.com/indoctrinationpodcast
Instagram: www.instagram.com/indoctrinationpodcast



Your reviews and ratings on Spotify and Apple/iTunes are greatly appreciated and help the show reach a wider audience.

Traumatic Narcissism Theory w/ Dan Shaw

In this compelling episode, Rachel introduces Dr. John Hunter, a South African researcher and lecturer, to explore the psychological and neurobiological impacts of Large Group Awareness Trainings (LGATs). Dr. Hunter offers a unique perspective on how LGATs can trigger manic-like episodes and psychosis. 



Rachel and Dr. Hunter discuss the psychological and social dynamics within LGATs, including the use of authority, social proof, and peripheral route persuasion to influence participants. They explore the intense stress and emotional highs and lows engineered by these trainings, drawing parallels to abusive interpersonal relationships and the addictive nature of the dopamine-driven states they induce.



Connect with Dr. John Hunter and learn more about his work at www.johnhunterphd.com



Connect with Us on Social Media:
- Twitter: www.twitter.com/_indoctrination
- Facebook: www.facebook.com/indoctrinationpodcast
- Instagram: www.instagram.com/indoctrinationpodcast



Your reviews and ratings on Spotify and Apple/iTunes are greatly appreciated and help the show reach a wider audience.

Manufacturing Mania w/Dr. John Hunter

Returning guest Nikki G. is a Certified Trauma Recovery Coach who helps survivors recover and thrive after Religious Trauma & Cult involvement. She is also a survivor of multiple narcissistic relationships, religious trauma, as well as a former member of multiple cultic communities. Nikki is the CEO of Nikki G Speaks LLC, which exists to support survivors with individual coaching services, an online community, and other various forms of psycho-education related to religious trauma, narcissistic abuse, and cult involvement.



Nikki is also a co-host of the podcast “Surviving the Black Church” where she and her co-hosts delve into conversations regarding religious trauma in the Black Church. She and another colleague have just recently founded The Black Religious Trauma Recovery Network, which is a resource to educate, support, and empower black religious trauma survivors. Nikki also sits on the board of directors for Tears of Eden.In this eye-opening episode, Rachel and Nikki delve into the New Apostolic Reformation (NAR) and its impact on society, politics, and spirituality. 



Nikki provides a comprehensive overview of NAR's goals, including the controversial Seven Mountain Mandate, which seeks to influence key societal spheres such as government, education, and media. She warns of the potential dangers of dominionism and spiritual colonization, urging listeners to stay informed and vigilant. As they discuss Project 2025 and the rise of political figures like Mike Johnson, Nikki highlights the importance of recognizing the underlying agendas driving these movements. She encourages listeners to research and understand the origins of these ideologies to make informed decisions about their beliefs and political actions.She emphasizes the need for survivors to reclaim their agency and voice, providing hope and guidance for those seeking to break free from controlling systems.



Connect with Nikki G. and learn more about her work at:
www.nikkigspeaks.com.



Connect with Us on Social Media:

Twitter: www.twitter.com/_indoctrination- 
Facebook: www.facebook.com/indoctrinationpodcast
Instagram: www.instagram.com/indoctrinationpodcast
Patreon: www.patreon.com/indoctrination
Webinars & Lectures: www.rachelbernsteintherapy.com/videos

Your reviews and ratings on Spotify and Apple/iTunes are greatly appreciated and help the show reach a wider audience.


Theocratic Threats & Spiritual Colonization w/ Nikki G.

This is just a preview of our Patreon exclusive Bonus Episode. You can hear the full episode by becoming a member at:
www.patreon.com/indoctrination

In this timely episode, Rachel addresses the upcoming U.S. presidential election and its impact on cult survivors. She explores the psychological parallels between political dynamics and cult-like behaviors, focusing on the anxiety and fear triggered by the current political climate.

Rachel discusses the rise of Christian nationalism and its influence on American culture, highlighting the importance of understanding these movements for those affected by high-control groups.

Connect with Us on Social Media:

Twitter: www.twitter.com/_indoctrination-
Facebook: www.facebook.com/indoctrinationpodcast
Instagram: www.instagram.com/indoctrinationpodcast
Patreon: www.patreon.com/indoctrination
Webinars & Lectures: www.rachelbernsteintherapy.com/videos

Your reviews and ratings on Spotify and Apple/iTunes are greatly appreciated and help the show reach a wider audience.

BONUS EPISODE PREVIEW Election Anxiety In Cult Survivors

In this compelling episode, Rachel speaks with Lynn Short, a former member of the New Gnostic Society, to explore her 17-year journey within the modern occult group. Lynn recounts her experiences as a missionary and the intense pressures she faced, including the doctrine's emphasis on sexual practices and the psychological control exerted over members. 


She candidly discusses the challenges of overcoming religious trauma and the path to healing that followed her departure in 2018. Lynn shares the personal and relational impact of her involvement in the group, highlighting the strain it placed on her marriage and the eventual realization of being used as free labor. Her resilience and determination to understand and dismantle the indoctrination she endured offer valuable lessons for those seeking liberation from controlling systems.



Connect with Us on Social Media:

Twitter: www.twitter.com/_indoctrination
Facebook: www.facebook.com/indoctrinationpodcast
Instagram: www.instagram.com/indoctrinationpodcast
Patreon: www.patreon.com/indoctrination
Webinars & Lectures: www.rachelbernsteintherapy.com/videos

Your reviews and ratings on Spotify and Apple/iTunes are greatly appreciated and help the show reach a wider audience

Leaving The New Gnostic Society w/Lynn Short

This episode from the archives originally aired in January 2024



Dr. Laura Anderson is a therapist, trauma resolution, and recovery coach, writer, educator, and creator who specializes in complex trauma with a focus on domestic violence, sexualized violence, and religious trauma. She holds a Master’s degree in Marriage and Family Therapy and a Ph.D. in Mind-Body Medicine with her research focusing on the experience of living in a healing body after sexual trauma. Laura has a small private practice in Nashville, TN, and is the founder and director of the Center for Trauma Resolution and Recovery, an online coaching company where she and the other practitioners work with clients who have experienced high demand/high control religions, adverse religious experiences, cults, and religious trauma. In 2019, Laura co-founded the Religious Trauma Institute with the goal of providing trauma-informed resources, consultation, and training to clinicians and other helping professionals who work with religious trauma survivors. Laura’s first book, “When Religion Hurts: Reclaiming Your Life After Religious Trauma”, is being released by Brazos Press in Fall 2023. She lives with her dog, Phoebe, in Middle Tennessee.

In this highly informative and revealing conversation. Dr. Anderson shares with Rachel her personal experience and professional insights from the specialized work she does with survivors of religious trauma. The two colleagues discuss the most effective modalities for religious trauma recovery and outline some important nuances that often get overlooked on the path to healing.

Before you go: Rachel offers some common traits to look out for in high-control religious groups to assess whether or not the leader's intentions are healthy.

You can find more about Dr. Andreson and her work at:
drlauraeanderson.com/

All of Rachel's video lectures are available for purchase here:

rachelbernsteintherapy.com/webinar.html

To help support the show monthly and get bonus episodes, shirts, and tote bags, please visit:

www.patreon.com/indoctrination

Prefer to support the IndoctriNation show with a one-time donation? Use this link:

www.paypal.me/indoctrination

Connect with us on Social Media:

Twitter:
twitter.com/_indoctrination

Facebook:
www.facebook.com/indoctrinationpodcast

Tik Tok:
www.tiktok.com/@indoctrinationpodcast

Instagram:
www.instagram.com/indoctrinationpodcast/

YouTube:
www.youtube.com/rachelbernsteinlmft

You can always help the show for free by leaving a rating on Spotify or a review on Apple/ iTunes. It really helps the visibility of the show!

An Abusive Relationship With God w/Dr. Laura Anderson (From The Archives)

This episode from the archives originally aired in 2020



After four successful years of working on TV shows and films in New York City, Jules Hartley thought it would be a good idea for her to move to LA.
A couple of years into her Hollywood journey, she discovered Kundalini yoga as taught specifically by Yogi Bhajan and the Golden Bridge Yoga Studio in Hollywood. She was instantly hooked and began what turned into a seven and a half year stint as a hardcore and fanatical member of what is now The Rama Yoga Institute, 3HO, and their brand of Sikhism.



The yoga and meditation lifestyle given by Yogi Bhajan thus became her entire universe, and within a year or two, she was devoting up to 18 hours a day, to practices that Yogi Bhajan said would ultimately make her life better and get her to "ascend". Jules explains to Rachel why she ultimately ended up leaving Hollywood in 2018, very sick after her experiences, and completely broke as she had given her money over to this group. She details her experiences leaving the intense systemic control of this cultic yoga group and provides insight on her journey to recovery.



Before You Go: Rachel shares her perspective on the results of the 2020 U.S Presidential Election and provides insight into why people who have left cults were so triggered by the US president for the last 4 years and how he behaved, and were so troubled by seeing how many militant hate groups and conspiratorial groups like QAnon felt supported by him.

3HO's House of Fallen Cards w/Jules Hartley (From The Archives 2020)

This is an unlocked bonus episode from our Patreon Exclusive archive. You can listen to 60+bonus episodes by becoming a member at:
https://www.patreon.com/indoctrination



In this insightful episode, Rachel delves into the multifaceted nature of loss and grief, offering a deeper understanding of the various types they may encounter. Rachel discusses how former cult members often feel displaced in traditional grief support groups, as their experiences of loss are unique and complex. She aims to shed light on these different forms of grief, helping listeners identify and navigate their emotions.



Rachel's compassionate insights aim to provide clarity and validation for those grappling with complex emotions, helping them find a way forward through their unique grief journeys.



Connect with Us on Social Media:

- Twitter: www.twitter.com/_indoctrination
- Facebook: www.facebook.com/indoctrinationpodcast
- Instagram: www.instagram.com/indoctrinationpodcast

Your reviews and ratings on Spotify and Apple/iTunes are greatly appreciated and help the show reach a wider audience.

UNLOCKED BONUS EPISODE: Navigating Different Types Of Grief

This is just a preview of our Patreon exclusive Bonus Episode. You can hear the full episode by becoming a member at: www.patreon.com/indoctrination



This week's bonus episode is a recording of Rachel's presentation with Dr. Glenn Doyle, for the Seek Safely Summit hosted by Anne Peterson. Rachel and Dr. Doyle discuss how to know if we are in an unsafe (aka Culty) environment. This can happen within one-to-one relationships, social or learning groups, or even the workplace.  Learn about deconstruction (aka understanding what the heck happened) and healing (aka recovering our autonomy) from these kinds of relationships.



You can find out more about Dr. Glenn Doyle here:

www.realisticlifechange.com/



If you or someone you know is wrestling with recovery after being involved in a high-control group, relationship, or any organization, consider joining the Healthy Healing and Recovery Group w/ Rachel Bernstein:

ilumn8.life/op/lgat-recovery-group/

Purchase a ticket to access the full set of recordings and gifts from the SEEK Safely Summit here:

ilumn8.life/sss/?utm_source=soc…rm=rachel-bernstein

Not only does your ticket get you the Summit session recordings and Gifts it includes a contribution to SEEKSafely.org

Consider becoming a regular contributor to SEEK Safely (501c3) to support their work in consumer education as well as consumer protections:
seeksafely.givingfuel.com/seek-safely-inc

BONUS EPISODE PREVIEW: Deconstruction & Recovery w/Dr. Glenn Doyle

In this compelling follow-up episode, Rachel welcomes back Jennifer Rajala, a former MLM leader turned advocate, who bravely shares her journey of disentangling from the manipulative world of multilevel marketing and coaching groups. 

Jennifer picks up where she left off last week and delves into the insidious overlap between MLMs and the coaching industry, revealing how individuals are often encouraged to invest in self-help and coaching as a means to succeed in MLMs, only to find themselves deeper in a cycle of dependency and financial loss. 



Today, Jennifer is dedicated to educating others about the dangers of MLMs and coaching scams, working with nonprofits and schools to introduce anti-fraud curricula. Her story is a powerful testament to resilience and the importance of critical thinking, serving as a beacon of hope for those seeking to escape similar entanglements.


Listen to part 1 of this conversation here:
https://on.soundcloud.com/2ohohprXUFVWgUTm6



Connect with Us on Social Media:



- Twitter: www.twitter.com/_indoctrination
- Facebook: www.facebook.com/indoctrinationpodcast
- Instagram: www.instagram.com/indoctrinationpodcast
- Patreon: www.patreon.com/indoctrination



Your reviews and ratings on Spotify and Apple/iTunes are greatly appreciated and help the show reach a wider audience.

The MLM To Coaching Pipeline w/Jennifer Rajala Pt. 2

This is just a preview of our Patreon exclusive Bonus Episode. You can hear the full episode by becoming a member at: www.patreon.com/indoctrination



In this exclusive Patreon bonus episode, Rachel delves into the intriguing world of superstitions, exploring their historical and cultural roots and their impact on human behavior. The discussion centers around the fear of Friday the 13th, a day steeped in myth and superstition, and the psychological mechanisms that perpetuate these beliefs.



The episode also explores the psychology of superstitions, including cognitive biases that lead individuals to create false correlations and the role of social conformity in maintaining these beliefs. Rachel shares personal anecdotes and cultural examples, illustrating how deeply embedded superstitions can influence behavior and decision-making.




Connect with Us on Social Media:
- Twitter: www.twitter.com/_indoctrination
- Instagram: www.instagram.com/indoctrinationpodcast
- YouTube: www.youtube.com/indoctrinationpodcast



Your support is essential to keep the show going. Thank you for being a part of our community.

BONUS EPISODE PREVIEW: Superstition & Fear-Based Indoctrination

In this poignant episode, Rachel is joined by Andrea Dunlop, an accomplished author and podcaster, who delves into the complex and often misunderstood topic of Munchausen by Proxy. Andrea, who has personal ties to the subject, shares her insights into the deceptive and abusive dynamics of this disorder. Her work aims to illuminate the psychological manipulation and coercion involved, drawing parallels to cult-like behaviors where individuals exert control over others to fulfill their own needs.



Through her podcast, "Nobody Should Believe Me," and the upcoming book "The Mother Next Door: Medicine, Deception, and Munchausen by Proxy," Andrea seeks to bring attention to this troubling form of abuse, offering support to survivors and families affected by it.




To learn more about Andrea Dunlop and her work, visit: 
http://www.andreadunlop.net



American Professional Society on the Abuse of Children:
https://www.apsac.org



Munchausen Support:
http://www.munchausensupport.com



Connect with Us on Social Media:

- Twitter: www.twitter.com/_indoctrination
- Facebook: www.facebook.com/indoctrinationpodcast
- Instagram: www.instagram.com/indoctrinationpodcast
- Patreon: www.patreon.com/indoctrination
- Webinars & Lectures: www.rachelbernsteintherapy.com/videos



Your reviews and ratings on Spotify and Apple/iTunes are greatly appreciated and help the show reach a wider audience.

Nobody Should Believe Me w/Andrea Dunlop

In this enlightening episode, Rachel sits down with Nicole Bedera, a sociologist and author of the forthcoming book, "On the Wrong Side: How Universities Protect Perpetrators and Betray Survivors of Sexual Violence." Nicole's research sheds light on the systemic issues within educational institutions that contribute to the trauma of survivors and perpetuate sexual violence.



The conversation delves into the troubling parallels between cult-like dynamics and the ways universities often fail to support survivors, instead prioritizing the protection of perpetrators. Nicole shares her insights from over a decade of work as a victim advocate and researcher, highlighting the pervasive victim-blaming culture and the institutional betrayal that exacerbates trauma for survivors.



To learn more about Nicole and her work, visit:
www.nicolebedera.com.



To learn more about Beyond Compliance visit:
https://www.beyond-compliance-consulting.com/



To help with fire relief efforts in Los Angeles visit:
https://fyi.me/p/firerelief



Connect with Us on Social Media:

- Twitter: www.twitter.com/_indoctrination
- Facebook: www.facebook.com/indoctrinationpodcast
- Instagram: www.instagram.com/indoctrinationpodcast
- Patreon: www.patreon.com/indoctrination
- Webinars & Lectures: www.rachelbernsteintherapy.com/video
-Donate to IncoctriNation: https://www.paypal.biz/indoctriNATION



Your reviews and ratings on Spotify and Apple/iTunes are greatly appreciated and help the show reach a wider audience.

On The Wrong Side w/ Nicole Bedera, Ph.D

In this powerful episode, Rachel welcomes Laila Mickelwait, co-founder and CEO of the Justice Defense Fund and leader of the Trafficking Hub movement. Laila has dedicated her life to combating sex trafficking and holding Pornhub accountable for profiting from criminal sexual abuse. Her work, which has been featured in major media outlets, exposes the dark underbelly of the porn industry and its ties to sex trafficking.



The discussion highlights the parallels between cult dynamics and the exploitation within the porn industry, focusing on the manipulation, coercion, and indoctrination involved. Lila shares heart-wrenching stories of victims whose lives have been shattered by these crimes, emphasizing the urgent need for systemic change and justice for survivors.



Laila's national bestseller, "Takedown: Inside the Fight to Shut Down Pornhub for Child Abuse, Rape, and Sex Trafficking," offers a gripping account of her battle to expose and dismantle a criminal online empire. Her insights into the psychological impact on victims and the pervasive culture of victim-blaming provide a sobering look at the challenges faced by those seeking justice.



To support Lila's efforts and learn more about her work, visit:
 https://www.lailamickelwait.com/



Find her book and get involved at:
https://www.takedownbook.com.



Find info on Justice Defense Fund at:
https://justicedefensefund.org/



Listen to our episode with anti-trafficking advocate Megan Lundstrom:
https://youtu.be/ZiLduWKtvH4?si=vfMioubTha5SRrbE 



Advocacy and Resources For Trafficking Victims:
https://rainn.org/



Connect with Us on Social Media:
- Twitter: www.twitter.com/_indoctrination
- Facebook: www.facebook.com/indoctrinationpodcast
- Instagram: www.instagram.com/indoctrinationpodcast
- Patreon: www.patreon.com/indoctrination
- Webinars & Lectures: www.rachelbernsteintherapy.com/videos



Your reviews and ratings on Spotify and Apple/iTunes are greatly appreciated and help the show reach a wider audience.

Takedown w/Laila Mickelwait

This is just a preview of our Patreon exclusive Bonus Episode. You can hear the full episode by becoming a member at: www.patreon.com/indoctrination


In this conversation, Rachel Bernstein and Andrew Pledger explore the themes presented in the movie 'Wicked', particularly focusing on the concepts of difference, acceptance, and the struggle for authenticity. Andrew shares his personal reflections on how the story resonates with his experiences growing up in a high-control religious environment. They discuss the dangers of black-and-white thinking, the importance of understanding emotions like anger, and the need for community and connection in the healing journey. The conversation emphasizes the significance of speaking out against oppressive systems and the power of self-discovery.

BONUS EPISODE PREVIEW: The Cult Dynamics of Wicked w/Andrew Pledger

Stacey Aviva Flint continues sharing her story about her mission to Kenya with the International Churches of Christ. Her one year trip became two years, as she was forced, unexpectedly, to pay her own way after dropping out of college and living homeless in New York for months.

Stacey also shares her experiences with therapy while in the group and after choosing to leave. At one point she encountered Kip McKeen, the group's leader. She also describes what she was looking for while recruiting as a missionary, and what was expected of her in this role.

Stay tuned, Before You Go: How do people get caught in the paradox of being elevated and devastated at the same time? Rachel reveals how often the rules of a cult put guilt on its followers; simultaneously elevating those with uncompromising loyalty.

Season 4

An Impossible Mission

Support this Show

An Impossible Mission w/ Stacey Aviva Flint, ex-ICOC - S4E8pt2

Welcome to IndoctriNation: A weekly podcast covering cults, manipulators, and protecting yourself from systems of control.

IndoctriNation

Pinned to spotlight

Popular tracks