This week's guest, Roberta Blevins is a former "Hun", who left the MLM world in 2017 and began publicly educating and speaking out against it. In her time in MLM, she was involved as a consultant for 3; It Works!, LuLaRoe and Modere, and a customer of many. Since leaving MLM, she has educated herself on the systemic structure of the business model, the psychological manipulation, the seedy underbelly, and governmental ties, the cult indoctrination, and the history of Multi-Level Marketing. She educates daily on TikTok, and podcasts in her "free time", talking to the survivors and victims of these commercial cults, disguised as the quickest route to the American Dream.

In this first part of their two-part conversation, Roberta explains to Rachel how she works to end the stigma of failure in the MLM industry, which she explains is designed for failure. Together they unpack the tactics of the now infamous MLM, LuLaRoe, that Roberta says signifies a commercial cult. Roberta shares her emotional journey as she transitions from "hun" to anti-MLM activist providing a detailed analysis of the schemes used in this deceptive and dangerous industry.

Before You Go: Rachel expands on the concept of the sunk cost fallacy and points out some of the many examples where it can be found, offering insights for walking away from deceptive traps.

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https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/life-after-mlm/id1553784236

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Toxic Boss Babe Culture w/ Roberta Blevins

Jitarth Jadeja is a former QAnon follower and current moderator of a Reddit group with over 200K followers called QAnon Casualties. Residing in Sydney, Australia, Jitarth has been covered in many major news publications in the U.S. and beyond, providing important insight into the perplexing world of Q. Since leaving Qanon behind, Jitarth has become an invaluable resource not only to high-profile journalists but also to families who have lost loved ones to Qanon. As you'll hear, his charming vulnerability and quick wit have helped him to shine a light on the shadows of Qanon and the conspiratorial right.

Jitarth shares with Rachel why he first became consumed with Qanon, explaining the ways in which it affected his familial relationships, specifically with his father who became a Q believer as well. Rachel discusses her experience dealing with the fallout of the Qanon movement. Together they talk through the consequences of Qanon's dangerous disinformation, lamenting the human cost of its voracious growth.

Before You Go: Rachel explains the often innocuous reasons and even positive attributes that can cause people to seek community in cultic situations. Additionally, she offers insight on engaging with people whose natural desire for acceptance and status prevents them from thinking critically.

Listen to Rachel and Jitarth's conversation on Conspirituality Podcast here:
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Qanon Casualties w/ Jitarth Jadeja

India Oxenberg is a successful film producer, writer, and actress. India is a national ambassador for RAINN (Rape, Abuse & Incest National Network) the nation's largest anti-sexual violence organization. She is also the daughter of our previous guest Catherine Oxenberg who Rachel worked with as a client while India was involved in NXIVM, the infamous multi-level marketing company that was later exposed as a sex cult. 

While in NXIVM, India was introduced to the cult's inner circle and was groomed to be a sexual partner of NXIVM's founder and leader, Keith Raniere. In 2020, she published the book Still Learning: A Memoir. She produced and starred in the documentary series Seduced: Inside the NXIVM Cult, in which Rachel is also featured documenting her work with the Oxenbergs as India transitioned out of NXIVM.


In the first half of Rachel and India's very personal and intimate two-part episode, they re-examine the intense time they shared together in therapy as India made her way out of the grips of the infamous and now imprisoned cult leader Keith Raniere. India opens up to Rachel about what her inner-life has felt like as she begins to leave behind the conditioning and indoctrination that left her scarred emotionally and physically from her time in NXIVM. Throughout the conversation, Rachel guides India through the revelations she had while becoming the person she truly is, rather than who she was told to be.


Before You Go: Rachel reminds listeners of the importance of being mindful of what personal details you share, why, and with whom, warning that you can make yourself vulnerable to emotional manipulation.


For resources on sexual violence visit RAINN here:
www.rainn.org/


Hear India's mother Catherine speak to Rachel about their shared experience here: https://soundcloud.com/indoctrinationshow/catherine-re-release



You can see Rachel, Catherine, and India in the documentary Seduced: Inside the NXIVM Cult
youtu.be/SmogBLEhbjY


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www.amazon.com/Still-Learning-A-…oir/dp/B08L3TW37N


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Survivorship w/ India Oxenberg

Willoughby Britton Ph.D. is a clinical psychologist, an Associate Professor of Psychiatry and Human Behavior at Brown University Medical School, and the Director of Brown's Clinical and Affective Neuroscience Laboratory.
Her clinical neuroscience research investigates the effects of contemplative practices on the brain and body in the treatment of mood disorders, trauma, and other emotional disturbances. She is especially interested in practice-specific effects, individual differences, and moderators of treatment outcomes.


She is probably best known for her research on adverse effects, and creating best practices around harms monitoring and reporting.
As a clinician, she has been trained as an instructor in Mindfulness-Based Stress Reduction (MBSR) and Mindfulness-based Cognitive Therapy (MBCT), and the Somatic Experiencing (SE) approach to trauma. She now specializes in helping meditators who are experiencing meditation-related difficulties and providing meditation safety training to providers and organizations.


Throughout this first half of their two-part conversation, Rachel and Willoughby find common ground discussing where their specialties intersect and help each other fill in the gaps of knowledge in their respective fields. Dr. Britton shares about her personal relationship with meditation, how it relates to her work, and the surprising results of her comprehensive study on the adverse effects of meditation. Rachel helps Dr. Britton unpack the cult dynamics and the societal structure that may explain the panic and very unscientific response of the meditation and science communities as a result of Dr. Britton's studies.



Before You Go: Rachel reflects on the problematic and dangerous issues Dr. Britton points out, relating it to her personal experience in a mindfulness and meditation course she participated in for a continuing education program.



Watch Dr.Britton's TED talk on meditation and neuroscience here:

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To learn more about Cheetah House and their work helping those experiencing meditation-related distress please visit:

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If you are a meditator who has suffered from adverse effects, you can book a consultation with the Cheetah House care team including Dr. Britton here:

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Invisible Virtue w/ Willoughby Britton Ph.D.

Daniel Levin is an award-winning writer living in Los Angeles. He holds an MFA in poetry from the University of California, Irvine, where he taught creative writing and rhetoric. His writing has appeared in Provincetown Arts, The Sarah Lawrence Review, The Westchester Review, and The Bennington Review. During his time at Sarah Lawrence College Dan, as a 19-year-old  sophomore got involved with Larry Ray the leader of what turned out to be a dangerous cult. Dan has written about these harrowing experiences in his new memoir SLONIM WOODS 9 A stunning firsthand account of the creation of a modern cult and the costs paid by its young victims.



In the first half of their two-part conversation, Daniel shares with Rachel how he first came into contact with Larry Ray the dangerous cult leader, currently on federal trial for sex trafficking, extortion, conspiracy, and a string of other crimes. He discusses how Larry was able to evade detection on campus even while living in dormitories. Together Rachel and Daniel examine what he was feeling as he fell under the control of this manipulative and dangerous man, pointing out the red flags and explaining what prevented him from seeing them at the time.




Before you go: Rachel addresses the most asked question cult survivors get; "why did you stay"? with regard to Daniel but also in general pointing out the commonalities of those who linger in abusive situations.




More info on the ongoing trial against Larry Ray:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/04/04/larry-ray-sex-cult-sarah-lawrence/




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A Master Class in Manipulation w/ Daniel Barban Levin Pt. 1

Sat Pavan Kaur was born into the 3HO community and Sikh Religion. She spent her childhood moving around to various 3HO communities. At the age of 8, she was sent to India with 120 other children to go to boarding school leaving her family back in the US. At 16, she would be taken out of school and join Yogi Bajan's personal staff. 

In the last couple of years, she has left the Cult but stayed within the greater Sikh community. She is one of the many women that was abused by Yogi Bhajan. She has had to unravel her life, the good, the bad, and the horror that she experienced growing up in the 3HO community; the abuse she was subjected to, the toll it took on her and her husband, and the clear choices she made to raise her children differently from how she was raised.

Sat Pavan now lives with her two children and husband of 27 years, raising her family and working hard to be a good person and do good in the world around her. She has been teaching and performing dance for the last 30 years to people of all ages and backgrounds, and is passionate about teaching and inspiring creativity, confidence, and individuality in her students, especially the younger generation which has been a hugely positive outlet for her.

Satpavan is also a musician who plays Kirtan and has played Sikh religious music since she was a young girl and continues to do so. Her music, along with dance has kept her going by providing a sense of healing throughout her life.

In this intimate conversation, Sat Pavan shares a full portrait of her life being born into the 3HO cult, from how her parents were pulled in to her childhood development as she was whisked away from one unsafe situation to another. Sat expertly points out the key moments of indoctrination, suffering, and, red flags she experienced throughout her decades involved with 3HO and it's monstrous guru.

Throughout her story, Rachel offers insights from a psychological perspective to help explain the cult dynamics at play in her experiences and together they look forward to the healing that is to come in the future.


Before You Go: Rachel explains why people who have survived intense trauma compartmentalize their emotions and often seem to downplay their suffering outwardly. She warns of the "realization trauma" that can occur as survivors uncover their own reality for the first time.

For more information on Sikhism, Sat Pavan recommends these healthy organizations run by good people whose voices represent the Sikh community:

Khalsa Aid, Sikh Coalition, Sikh Legal Defense Fund, Valerie Kaur, Art by Ruby, Ramblings of a Sikh, Khalra Mission 

You can see the documentary The Dark Empire of Yogi Bhajan | True Believers here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfr5jKauwtE

Hear our episode with Jules Hartley on her 3HO experience here:

https://soundcloud.com/indoctrinationshow/jules-hartley?utm_source=clipboard&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=social_sharing

Hear our episodes with Phillip Deslipe and Stacie Stukin on the Olive Branch Report here:

Part 1: https://soundcloud.com/indoctrinationshow/stacy-phillip-pt-1

Part 2: https://soundcloud.com/indoctrinationshow/stacy-phillip-pt-2-revised

Read Stacie's groundbreaking article on YB's abuses here:
https://www.lamag.com/citythinkblog/yogi-bhajan/

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The Chaos & Contradiction of 3HO w/ Satpavan Kaur Khalsa pt. 1

Sam Jahara is a UKCP Registered Psychotherapist and Tavistock certified Executive Coach with a private practice in Brighton, South-East England. She became a psychotherapist as a result of coming to terms with several aspects of her upbringing, mainly linked with cultural identity as well as being raised by parents who were involved in a cult. Sam grew up primarily in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil but moved around a lot because of her parent’s involvement with their guru Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh (later renamed Osho). From age 6 she lived in communes dotted across Europe, including the UK, and life was chaotic and unsettling. After leaving the cult in her late 20s, she spent many years trying to make sense of her profound experiences of lack of belonging and a sense of identity, stemming from being both an immigrant and an ex-cult member. As with many cults, children are usually seen as objects, a hindrance, or treated as little adults. Abuse and neglect are common through the encouragement of separation of parents and children. Now in her late 40s, she is still making sense of some of these experiences and using her training and knowledge to continue to understand cults, cult leaders, and what makes people follow them. 

In this insightful conversation, the two therapists examine the impact that neglectful parents can have on the development of children through the lens of Sam's own perspective of being raised in an Osho commune as a young child. Together, Rachel and Sam go on to discuss the cultural identity issues that are often present in people who were raised in cults and how it relates also to those who had unstable living conditions as children. Sam offers a thoughtful analysis of her parents' motives in joining Osho's cultic community and opens up about the emotional complexities inherent in her relationships with her family today.

Before You Go: Rachel further examines her concept of a spiritual placebo, explaining it can decieve followers into sacrificing the power of their own autonomy and makes them vulnerable to dependence on a guru figure.

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In My Father's Footsteps, Following Rajneesh w/Sam Jahara

Zachary Heinzerling is an Academy Award-nominated and Emmy Award-winning director based in New York City. His latest docu-series entitled “Stolen Youth: Inside the Cult of Sarah Lawrence" about Larry Ray and his victims, premiered February 9th, 2023 on Hulu. The New York Times praised it as “a true-crime-coup,” The New Yorker called it "a remarkable work, advancing the prestige true-crime genre’s slow but steady reorientation toward centering victims"



In this fascinating look behind the scenes of Heinzerling's critically acclaimed series on the cult of Larry Ray, Zach emphasizes the important insights he learned from Rachel in the conversations he had with her throughout the filmmaking process. Together they discuss the ethics of documenting survivor stories and the importance of creating not only an accurate depiction of the tragic events but an honest narrative that teaches the audience about the red flags that we're missed and why they were so hard to recognize.



Before You Go: Rachel offers her insights on the sensitive nature of interviewing survivors of cultic abuse or coercive control in media or counseling and offers advice on how to tell survivor-led stories ethically and with conscious intentionality.



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Documenting Stolen Youth w/ Zachary Heinzerling

Kayla is a YouTube creator and launched her channel Keya's World back in 2021 to discuss toxic positivity, hustle culture, self-help, spirituality, scams, and everything in between. Kayla started her career in the broadcast & digital journalism industry and still uses her research and storytelling skills while creating her content. Kayla is a former personal development fan who thought the industry was the key to finding success in her life. However, Kayla experienced firsthand how the self-help and wellness industry can be full of manipulation, clever marketing, and red flags. Now she is on a mission to help expose some of the tactics that can lead well-meaning "seekers" astray.


Kayla opens up to Rachel about her experience in the personal development and wellness community, explaining how her involvement with alternative forms of counseling led her to uncover a world fraught with deception and fraud. She explains how her own bad experience became the catalyst for the important and often hilarious work she does now, combining her skills in journalism and media production with her knowledge of the inner workings of this problematic industry.



Before You Go: Rachel shares from her own perspective as an LMFT, how both the unregulated as well as regulated counseling industries don't always provide the consumer protection they should and how to be aware of red flags when seeking help. 



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Analyzing Word Salad w/Kayla from Keya's World

Dr. Laura Anderson is a therapist, trauma resolution, and recovery coach, writer, educator, and creator who specializes in complex trauma with a focus on domestic violence, sexualized violence, and religious trauma. She holds a Master’s degree in Marriage and Family Therapy and a Ph.D. in Mind-Body Medicine with her research focusing on the experience of living in a healing body after sexual trauma. Laura has a small private practice in Nashville, TN, and is the founder and director of the Center for Trauma Resolution and Recovery, an online coaching company where she and the other practitioners work with clients who have experienced high demand/high control religions, adverse religious experiences, cults, and religious trauma.  In 2019, Laura co-founded the Religious Trauma Institute with the goal of providing trauma-informed resources, consultation, and training to clinicians and other helping professionals who work with religious trauma survivors. Laura’s first book, “When Religion Hurts: Reclaiming Your Life After Religious Trauma”, is being released by Brazos Press in Fall 2023. She lives with her dog, Phoebe, in Middle Tennessee.



In this highly informative and revealing conversation. Dr. Anderson shares with Rachel her personal experience and professional insights from the specialized work she does with survivors of religious trauma. The two colleagues discuss the most effective modalities for religious trauma recovery and outline some important nuances that often get overlooked on the path to healing.



Before you go: Rachel offers some common traits to look out for in high-control religious groups to assess whether or not the leader's intentions are healthy.


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An Abusive Relationship With God w/Dr. Laura Anderson

Sarah Patch is a clinical counselor in Columbus, Ohio who has devoted the past few years of her career to educating herself and others on authoritarian abuse and cult involvement. Sarah cares deeply about raising awareness of the subtle and not-so-subtle signs of controlling behavior so that people can live more authentic and joyful lives. Sarah was both a participant and victim of authoritarian control while in a Christian cult where she spent most of her life. She hopes that by sharing her story, she can help individuals break down their walls of cognitive dissonance and find freedom.


Throughout this revealing conversation, Sarah shares insights from her experience under the control of Xenos, now known as Dwell Church. She goes on to discuss with Rachel her own work as a counselor, explaining how her time in a high-control religious group informed the work she does today. Together the two colleagues explain the mechanisms of control that are commonly used in cultic organizations.



Before You Go: Rachel addresses the concept of P.I.M.O. (Physically In, Mentally Out) explaining the complex stages of recovering from cultic abuse, and how they can manifest in the minds of survivors.



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Subtle Signs of Control w/Sarah Patch, LPCC

Sue Winter is a modern linguist who holds two graduate degrees, one from the University of London, and another from UWE Bristol. She taught for over 44 years in a variety of settings in both mainstream and specialist teams for vulnerable young people. Sue has multiple cultic experiences from religious to corporate to interpersonal, including both parental and spousal abuse. She became involved in Fruitful Vine Ministries, an Australian charismatic group, led by a female apostle prophet. After leaving that group she unknowingly “cult hopped” volunteering for a UK-based commercial hiking company which she only recently realized was employing many cult-like practices. She is now an E.S.O.L examiner and a group leader for a U.S. not-for-profit organization. Sue has a passion for language and speaks French, Spanish, German, Catalan, and Arabic.



In this complex and engaging discussion, Sue opens up to Rachel about the plethora of cultic experiences she endured throughout her lifetime. Together they draw connections between the various high-control situations she found herself in. Rahel and Sue go on to point out the commonalities of Sue's experiences, pointing out the similarity in the methods of control.



Before You Go: Rachel examines the resilience of those who survive multiple cult experiences and offers her insights on how to stay conscious of the potential to "Cult Hop"



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The Language Of Control w/Sue Winter

Priscilla Eyles is a Justice, Equity, Diversity & Inclusion trainer and facilitator from London. They are an advocate, and speaker passionate about raising awareness around the issues that Neurodivergent people face, specifically those of multiple marginalized identities. Alongside normalizing conversations around vulnerabilities to cult abuse, career, and intergenerational trauma. Priscilla is a bi-racial, neurodivergent queer person who survived eight years in two cults and has worked in many toxic workplaces with cult-like dynamics.



Priscilla is also a trustee for Camden Disability Action and has a special interest in effective and holistic therapeutic frameworks and trauma-informed approaches, they recently completed a foundation certificate in Integrative Psychotherapy and Counselling at the Minster Centre. Their first published book chapter will be out later this year in the forthcoming "Birdsong From Inobservable Worlds, an anthology on Psychiatry and Race", edited by mental health activist Dolly Sen.



In this compelling conversation, Priscilla begins to reveal her complex story of multiple cultic experiences. Together, Rachel and Priscilla analyze the role of identity within high-control groups and explain how vulnerability is exploited within "large group awareness trainings" such as Landmark.



Before You Go: Rachel shares her insights on how emotional trauma can manifest physically in the body, explaining how these effects can be amplified in cultic groups.




You can reach out to Priscilla on social media or via her email at:
priscillaeyles@gmail .com

Twitter: PriscillaEyles

IG: CulturalLiasons

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Leaving Landmark w/Priscilla Eyles

Today’s guests, Sarah and Jessica are longtime friends who grew up together in Canada. They are Ex-Christians who discuss their former faith one strange topic at a time on their cleverly named podcast "You Can't Get To Heaven In A Miniskirt" The stated goal of their podcast is to expose the abusive power structures and toxicity within the Christian faith and create a safe place to heal for those affected by religious trauma. Sarah and Jessica say their aim is to bridge the divide of the ever-growing chasm of religious and political ideology in North America. Now that they live on opposite sides of the country they spend most of their free time researching for the podcast in an effort to find common ground between believers and non-believers.



In this cathartic and informative conversation, Sarah and Jessica detail the experiences they had in the Christian church that led them to start the podcast. Throughout the show, Rachel offers her insights on the themes Sarah and Jessica cover in their podcast including purity culture and patriarchal control. 



Before You Go: Rachel points out the hypocrisy of high-control Christian churches whose patriarchal teachings aim to control all aspects of women's behavior.



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You Can't Get To Heaven In A Miniskirt w/Sarah & Jessica

David Hayward AKA NakedPastor is a former pastor turned artist and author whose work encourages seeking one's authentic self, religious deconstruction, and freedom of thought. He holds a Masters degree in Theological Studies, as well as Diplomas in Religious Studies and Ministry. David resides in Eastern Coastal Canada where the natural surroundings have helped him to find inner peace within the natural world as he pursues his art full time which he has done for the past decade.



The idea of NakedPastor has since grown into a diverse global community of independent thinkers who support each other on their journey to personal spiritual freedom. Committed to truth, authenticity, and understanding, he supports LGBTQ+ people and groups, BIPOC, and women artists, and he encourages his fans to do the same. David is probably best known for his cartoons which in their powerful simplicity speak louder than words and go straight to the heart. Through these cartoons, he challenges problematic norms in religious spaces and life in general. They inspire, provoke, and start difficult conversations. 



In this thoughtful and revealing conversation, David shares some of the deeply personal insights that inform his artwork. Together he and Rachel explore what healthy spiritual seeking looks like and point out the ways in which people often get stuck. Throughout the discussion, Rachel and David offer advice on personal and philosophical growth from their respective experiences and traditions.



Before You Go: Rachel emphasizes the importance of self-expression and explains how high-control organizations hinder individual assertion to ensure conformity among members.



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NakedPastor w/David Hayward

Jon Atack is a leading expert on authoritarian cult groups as well as a best-selling author. He has worked with hundreds of former members and has lectured and written extensively in a career spanning four decades.  Jon wrote the book, “Scientology: The Cult of Greed” as a simple introduction to the subject, while his influential book, “Let’s Sell These People a Piece of Blue Sky” is the only comprehensive history of the bizarre group known as Scientology. 

Through his popular YouTube channel and podcast, simply titled, “Jon Atack and Friends”, he endeavors to make complex psychological ideas accessible. His scholarship has been supported by many academics from varying fields of study.

Jon’s book “Opening Our Minds”  shows how cultic behaviors are established throughout society and sheds light on the methods used in pseudo-religions, therapy and commercial cults, terrorism, gangs, grooming, hazing, and modern slavery. He also shows that these methods succeed because of failures in our education system. In his spare time, Jon hybridizes tomatoes, plays drums, and paints.



In this information-dense and engaging discussion between longtime colleagues and friends, Rachel and Jon delve deep into the hearts and minds of people trapped in high-control groups. 

Throughout the conversation, they touch on both the sociological and psychological factors that drive people into destructive groups and offer insights on the healing process for those who escape.


Before You Go: Rachel explains how simply recontextualizing the language of cult leaders can help reveal the absurdity of their words, even to the most indoctrinated followers.



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The Anatomy Of A Cult Member w/Jon Atack

Cynane Shay is a nuclear engineer in South Carolina. Her childhood in White Christian Nationalism normalized conspiracy theories like Obama “Birther-ism” and the Biblical apocalypse; but 2020, with COVID and Qanon, finally made her realize something was deeply wrong. Now Cynane is writing a book, “Taking Off the Tinfoil Hat: How Lizard People and Space Lasers Dismantled my Christian Worldview,” to process the deconstruction of her fundamentalist evangelicalism and her propagandistic patriotism. Losing loved ones to the pandemic was a tragedy, but losing loved ones to the rabbit hole was its own tragedy and Cynane needed to understand the “why.” So from the IBLP cult to Jewish space lasers, she pulled the thread, cracked her faith, and found the inseparable link between cults, conspiracy theories, and American White Christian Nationalism.

Throughout this highly informative conversation, Cynane expertly weaves in fascinating insights into the world of modern conspiracism as she explains her own deconstruction from Christian Nationalism.



Before You Go: Rachel expands on how Evangelicalism and Christian Nationalism can prime followers for falling down the rabbit hole of conspiracy theories.



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Taking Off The Tinfoil Hat w/Cynane Shay

Matt and Tawni Browning are the authors of the new book "The Hate Next Door: Undercover within the New Face of White Supremacy" Matt is an internationally recognized authority on the inner workings of white supremacy groups. As an undercover detective for more than two decades in Arizona, Browning has been infiltrating, documenting, and disrupting White supremacy movements from the inside, gaining an intimate vantage point to the KKK, border militias, Proud Boys, and other White power groups, as they organized and grew their ranks which included police force and military veterans. 

Together with his intrepid wife, Tawni, he adopted fake IDs and ideologies, seeking the arrest of hate group participants. What others dismissed as fringe groups, Browning quickly recognized as large and interconnected organizations permeating every facet of American society, effectively spreading their dangerous and repugnant rhetoric at unprecedented speeds. 

Tawni Browning considers herself first and foremost a mother of five. Beyond that, she was the Supervising and Casting Producer for A&E’s “Escaping Polygamy,” a series documenting the trials and struggles of individuals attempting to leave the cult life of polygamy. 

For years, Tawni has been assisting her husband in the investigations of numerous skinhead organizations. With her covert investigative tactics, Tawni was instrumental in the “shutting down” of one of the world's largest and most violent skinhead organizations. Tawni continues to gather intelligence on various individuals and religious extremists throughout the world.

The series “Escaping Polygamy” is airing now on A&E and Matt and Tawni’s new book “ The Hate Next Door“ is available on Amazon and at local bookstores.

In this inspiring and important discussion, Matt and Tawni share fascinating details of their personal and professional lives dedicated to fighting hate and authoritarianism respectively. Throughout the conversation the couple detail the similarities between white supremacist and fundamentalist Christian ideology, offering meaningful insight into de-radicalization and healing modalities.



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The Hate Next Door w/Matt & Tawni Browning

Uriah Wesman is a multiple-cult survivor, and one-liner comedian turned comedic storyteller. Early in his career, he was hesitant to speak about the cultic involvement of his childhood, but now after nearly 8 years of performing and producing hundreds of comedy shows he’s found a way to transmute the pain of his childhood into laughter and catharsis.



Uriah is now laser-focused on taking those darkest parts of his childhood and bringing them to light with his new one-man show called “Three Cults Walk Into A Bar” Where he brings levity to his difficult circumstances growing up in three different cults, being kidnapped as a child and recovering from a near-death experience.  The debut performance of his show is on Saturday, May 11th at the Lyric Hyperion Theater in Los Angeles.



In this compelling episode, Rachel has a profound conversation with Uriah, who shares his journey from being born into the Church Universal and Triumphant – where his life was dictated by the whims of a leader – to his tumultuous family dynamics and his struggle to find his own identity. His story is a tapestry of harrowing experiences, including being kidnapped by his mother and surviving a near-death experience, all of which he's now bravely turning into a source of laughter and healing through his one-man show "Three Cults Walk into a Bar."



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3 Cults Walk Into A Bar...w/Uriah Wesman

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In this special bonus episode, Rachel dives deep into the dark and often hidden world of children’s television. Inspired by the recent docuseries "Quiet on Set: The Dark Side of Kids TV," she explores the unhealthy culture plaguing TV and movie sets, particularly those involving child actors.




From the #MeToo movement to the power dynamics that create toxic environments, this episode sheds light on the harrowing experiences many young actors have faced. Rachel discusses the psychological responses to abuse, the culture of silence and intimidation, and the need for major industry reforms.



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BONUS EPISODE PREVIEW: Behind the Curtains of Kids' TV

Daniel Schricker is a composer and writer based in Adelaide, Australia. He completed undergraduate and postgraduate studies at the University of Adelaide, being awarded a PhD in 2020. In addition to his doctoral research in music composition, his academic interests include cults and fringe religious organizations. Some of his recent writings explore the theological and psychological aspects of high-control groups, leading to guest appearances on cult-themed podcasts in Australia, the UK, and South Africa. He was also a presenter at the 2023 International Cultic Studies Association Conference where he discussed some of his experiences growing up in KwaSizabantu and his role in pursuing justice for survivors of the group.



Daniel provides a detailed overview of Kwasizabantu's origins in South Africa, its expansion into Europe, and the oppressive practices within the group, especially regarding their extreme views on confession and courtship. He also discusses his involvement in recent investigations and his efforts to raise awareness about the group's harmful practices.


The conversation shifts to the role of fear in the group's theology, the brutal treatment of children, and the psychological impact on members. Daniel explains how the group's belief system diverges from mainstream Christianity and the importance of distinguishing between healthy and unhealthy religious practices.


Rachel and Daniel also explore the influence of online figures like Lori Alexander, who promotes a hyper-patriarchal version of Christianity. Daniel shares his insights on how such online ministries can exhibit cult-like characteristics and the dangers they pose to their followers.

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Coercion Confession and Control w/Daniel Schricker

Annie Dawid is an award-winning author and professor who teaches creative writing at University College, of Denver. She is a professor of English and Director of Creative Writing at Lewis & Clark College in Portland, OR. 

Her latest novel PARADISE UNDONE: A NOVEL OF JONESTOWN is a historical fiction of the infamous tragedy that took place in Guyana 45 years ago, it is a sensitive account of 4 people whose lives were deeply impacted by cult leader Jim Jones. The book was published on November 18th, 2023 the 45th anniversary of the Jonestown massacre, and has been received with high praise from cult experts including some of our past guests Jon Atak, and Joe Szimhart. 



In this compelling episode, Annie brings a unique perspective to the tragic story of Jonestown. She emphasizes the importance of focusing on the victims rather than the infamous leader, Jim Jones, and sheds light on the often-overlooked narratives of those who lived through the ordeal.



Annie discusses her latest book, which took two decades to publish, and her journey to uncover the stories of Jonestown's victims. She introduces us to key figures like Marceline Baldwin Jones, Jim Jones' wife, and other protagonists who provide a broader understanding of the People's Temple and its impact on its members and the country of Guyana.


Rachel and Annie delve into the complexities of cult dynamics, the role of women in the People's Temple, and the psychological manipulation employed by Jim Jones. They also explore the broader implications of such movements and the importance of remembering the humanity of those who were lost.



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Paradise Undone w/Annie Dawid

Elle Hardy is an Australian-born journalist mostly based in New Orleans. She has covered stories from every continent on earth, from North Korea to the backwoods of Alabama.



Her writing credits include The Guardian, The Times, GQ, Vice, and more. Elle also appeared alongside Rachel, in the documentary Hillsong: A Megachurch Exposed, which uncovered the scandals of the “hip celebrity church”. Elle also went on to co-host the podcast series False Profits A personal journey into the heart of Hillsong Megachurch.



Her first book exposes the Pentecostal agenda: not just saving souls but also transforming societies and controlling politics. She is currently working on her second book, about the Unification Church (also known as the Moonies), for Simon & Schuster.



Rachel and Elle dive into a wide range of topics, including the global influence of Pentecostalism, the troubling rise of surveillance and data harvesting by religious groups, and the political shifts within evangelical and Catholic circles in the United States. Elle shares her insights on how these movements differ across countries and the implications of these differences.



Elle discusses the unsettling trend of evangelical groups using apps to track and target individuals for conversion, revealing the potential dangers of such data being used by malicious actors. The conversation also touches on the political rightward shift among evangelicals and Catholics, the role of women in these movements, and the broader societal impacts of these trends.


This episode is a must-listen for anyone interested in understanding the complexities of modern religious movements and their far-reaching effects on society and politics.


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Surveillance and Salvation w/Elle Hardy

R. Scott Okamoto is a fourth-generation Japanese American author, musician, and college professor from Pasadena, California. Scott is the host of the Chapel Probation podcast and the author of the new book, "Asian American Apostate: Losing Religion and Finding Myself at an Evangelical University." His work provides a wry and ironic insight into how America's evangelical schools encourage rigid social structures and white cultural power, rather than fostering a life of the mind.



Rachel and Scott delve into his personal journey of growing up in a deeply evangelical environment and his experiences as a professor at an evangelical university. Scott shares the complexities of his deconstruction process, the challenges he faced questioning the status quo, and the systemic issues within evangelical institutions, including racism, sexism, and homophobia. 



He also discusses the impact of his family's history, particularly their experiences in Japanese internment camps during World War II, on his own beliefs and identity. Scott's insights offer a powerful testament to the importance of questioning and the courage it takes to confront deeply entrenched systems of power and control. 

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Asian American Apostate w/R. Scott Okamoto

For over 20 years, Anne Peterson devoted herself to Landmark, the training and development company she believed was transforming lives. She even helped launch the public reemergence of the guru behind the organization, Werner Erhard. But ultimately, Anne faced a reckoning. The organization and Erhard were corroding the message that initially sparked her passion. After years of rationalizing away red flags, the harm beneath the surface became undeniable. 




Anne now focuses on helping others navigate personal development without exploitation. Drawing from her experiences to provide guidance on recognizing manipulation, her new book Is This a Cult? Confronting the Line Between Transformation and Exploitation is an inspiring tale of rebuilding integrity in the shadow of charismatic leaders and offers hope to all who wonder whether their quest for growth has a dark side.    



Rachel and Anne delve into Anne's personal journey with Landmark, the emotional complexities of its abuse, and the importance of mental health support for former LGAT members. Throughout the conversation, Anne sheds light on the history of Landmark and its leader from her insider vantage point.
        


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Landmark Whistleblower w/Anne L. Peterson

Scott Homan was raised in the north woods of Wisconsin and found his voice through music and film. His documentary, Witness Underground, highlights the struggles and triumphs of a music community influenced by a cult. Scott shares his journey from being raised in a restrictive environment to discovering the power of self-expression and creativity as a path to healing.



Rachel and Scott delve into the emotional and psychological impact of shunning, the manipulation tactics used by cults, and the importance of finding one’s identity outside of a controlling group. Scott also discusses his experiences in Vietnam, his work with Banana Island Films, and his upcoming participation in the DeCult Conference in New Zealand.

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Witness Underground w/Scott Homan

In this captivating episode, Rachel Bernstein welcomes back Dan Shaw, a distinguished psychotherapist and expert in psychoanalysis specializing in narcissistic abuse and cult survivor recovery. Dan shares his transformative journey from being an actor and missionary to leaving a cultic organization in 1994 and becoming a mental health professional. His extensive training and personal experiences have made him a prominent figure in the field, earning him the prestigious Margaret Singer Award for his work on undue influence.


The episode delves into the intricacies of traumatic narcissism, a theory Dan introduced to the field, which he explores in his acclaimed books. Rachel and Dan discuss the chilling characteristics of narcissistic leaders, the seductive allure of their personalities, and the profound impact they have on their followers. Dan provides insights into recognizing these traits and the importance of boundaries in protecting oneself from manipulative individuals. Listeners are encouraged to reflect on the dynamics of power and control in relationships, whether in cults or personal interactions, and the significance of reclaiming one's voice and autonomy. Dan's upcoming work on traumatic narcissism theory promises to further illuminate these complex issues, offering hope and guidance to those affected by such relationships.



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Traumatic Narcissism Theory w/ Dan Shaw

Returning guest Nikki G. is a Certified Trauma Recovery Coach who helps survivors recover and thrive after Religious Trauma & Cult involvement. She is also a survivor of multiple narcissistic relationships, religious trauma, as well as a former member of multiple cultic communities. Nikki is the CEO of Nikki G Speaks LLC, which exists to support survivors with individual coaching services, an online community, and other various forms of psycho-education related to religious trauma, narcissistic abuse, and cult involvement.



Nikki is also a co-host of the podcast “Surviving the Black Church” where she and her co-hosts delve into conversations regarding religious trauma in the Black Church. She and another colleague have just recently founded The Black Religious Trauma Recovery Network, which is a resource to educate, support, and empower black religious trauma survivors. Nikki also sits on the board of directors for Tears of Eden.In this eye-opening episode, Rachel and Nikki delve into the New Apostolic Reformation (NAR) and its impact on society, politics, and spirituality. 



Nikki provides a comprehensive overview of NAR's goals, including the controversial Seven Mountain Mandate, which seeks to influence key societal spheres such as government, education, and media. She warns of the potential dangers of dominionism and spiritual colonization, urging listeners to stay informed and vigilant. As they discuss Project 2025 and the rise of political figures like Mike Johnson, Nikki highlights the importance of recognizing the underlying agendas driving these movements. She encourages listeners to research and understand the origins of these ideologies to make informed decisions about their beliefs and political actions.She emphasizes the need for survivors to reclaim their agency and voice, providing hope and guidance for those seeking to break free from controlling systems.



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Theocratic Threats & Spiritual Colonization w/ Nikki G.

In this special post-election episode, Rachel welcomes Andrew Pledger to discuss the emotional aftermath of the recent election from a survivor's perspective. Andrew, a cult survivor and advocate, shares his unique insights into the intersection of Christian fundamentalism and the current political climate. Raised in an independent fundamental Baptist church, Andrew's journey of self-discovery and escape from high-control environments informs his work in raising awareness through his podcasts, "Surviving Bob Jones University" and "Beyond Exposing Fundamentalism."


Rachel and Andrew explore the common triggers and fears that have emerged in this unprecedented election season, emphasizing the importance of community and self-care for those affected by high-control groups. The conversation offers guidance and support to those grappling with feelings of isolation and anxiety in hopes that listeners will find solace in community and shared healing.



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Trump Presidency: A Cult Survivor's Perspective w/Andrew Pledger

In this compelling episode, Rachel speaks with Lynn Short, a former member of the New Gnostic Society, to explore her 17-year journey within the modern occult group. Lynn recounts her experiences as a missionary and the intense pressures she faced, including the doctrine's emphasis on sexual practices and the psychological control exerted over members. 


She candidly discusses the challenges of overcoming religious trauma and the path to healing that followed her departure in 2018. Lynn shares the personal and relational impact of her involvement in the group, highlighting the strain it placed on her marriage and the eventual realization of being used as free labor. Her resilience and determination to understand and dismantle the indoctrination she endured offer valuable lessons for those seeking liberation from controlling systems.



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Leaving The New Gnostic Society w/Lynn Short

In this revealing episode, Rachel sits down with Erik Rojas, a former program leader and senior staff member at Landmark Worldwide, the infamous large group awareness training organization. Erik shares his journey within Landmark, detailing the intense pressures and abusive practices he witnessed and experienced. 

Erik explains how his commitment and drive were exploited, leading him to work grueling hours with little pay while being subjected to physical and psychological abuse by his superiors. His story serves as a cautionary tale for those seeking transformation through large-group awareness training, highlighting the need for critical awareness and self-care.

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Leaving Landmark w/Erik Rojas

This episode from the archives originally aired in January 2024



Dr. Laura Anderson is a therapist, trauma resolution, and recovery coach, writer, educator, and creator who specializes in complex trauma with a focus on domestic violence, sexualized violence, and religious trauma. She holds a Master’s degree in Marriage and Family Therapy and a Ph.D. in Mind-Body Medicine with her research focusing on the experience of living in a healing body after sexual trauma. Laura has a small private practice in Nashville, TN, and is the founder and director of the Center for Trauma Resolution and Recovery, an online coaching company where she and the other practitioners work with clients who have experienced high demand/high control religions, adverse religious experiences, cults, and religious trauma. In 2019, Laura co-founded the Religious Trauma Institute with the goal of providing trauma-informed resources, consultation, and training to clinicians and other helping professionals who work with religious trauma survivors. Laura’s first book, “When Religion Hurts: Reclaiming Your Life After Religious Trauma”, is being released by Brazos Press in Fall 2023. She lives with her dog, Phoebe, in Middle Tennessee.

In this highly informative and revealing conversation. Dr. Anderson shares with Rachel her personal experience and professional insights from the specialized work she does with survivors of religious trauma. The two colleagues discuss the most effective modalities for religious trauma recovery and outline some important nuances that often get overlooked on the path to healing.

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An Abusive Relationship With God w/Dr. Laura Anderson (From The Archives)

This episode from the archives originally aired in 2020



After four successful years of working on TV shows and films in New York City, Jules Hartley thought it would be a good idea for her to move to LA.
A couple of years into her Hollywood journey, she discovered Kundalini yoga as taught specifically by Yogi Bhajan and the Golden Bridge Yoga Studio in Hollywood. She was instantly hooked and began what turned into a seven and a half year stint as a hardcore and fanatical member of what is now The Rama Yoga Institute, 3HO, and their brand of Sikhism.



The yoga and meditation lifestyle given by Yogi Bhajan thus became her entire universe, and within a year or two, she was devoting up to 18 hours a day, to practices that Yogi Bhajan said would ultimately make her life better and get her to "ascend". Jules explains to Rachel why she ultimately ended up leaving Hollywood in 2018, very sick after her experiences, and completely broke as she had given her money over to this group. She details her experiences leaving the intense systemic control of this cultic yoga group and provides insight on her journey to recovery.



Before You Go: Rachel shares her perspective on the results of the 2020 U.S Presidential Election and provides insight into why people who have left cults were so triggered by the US president for the last 4 years and how he behaved, and were so troubled by seeing how many militant hate groups and conspiratorial groups like QAnon felt supported by him.

3HO's House of Fallen Cards w/Jules Hartley (From The Archives 2020)

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In this insightful episode, Rachel delves into the multifaceted nature of loss and grief, offering a deeper understanding of the various types they may encounter. Rachel discusses how former cult members often feel displaced in traditional grief support groups, as their experiences of loss are unique and complex. She aims to shed light on these different forms of grief, helping listeners identify and navigate their emotions.



Rachel's compassionate insights aim to provide clarity and validation for those grappling with complex emotions, helping them find a way forward through their unique grief journeys.



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UNLOCKED BONUS EPISODE: Navigating Different Types Of Grief

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This week's bonus episode is a recording of Rachel's presentation with Dr. Glenn Doyle, for the Seek Safely Summit hosted by Anne Peterson. Rachel and Dr. Doyle discuss how to know if we are in an unsafe (aka Culty) environment. This can happen within one-to-one relationships, social or learning groups, or even the workplace.  Learn about deconstruction (aka understanding what the heck happened) and healing (aka recovering our autonomy) from these kinds of relationships.



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BONUS EPISODE PREVIEW: Deconstruction & Recovery w/Dr. Glenn Doyle

In this compelling follow-up episode, Rachel welcomes back Jennifer Rajala, a former MLM leader turned advocate, who bravely shares her journey of disentangling from the manipulative world of multilevel marketing and coaching groups. 

Jennifer picks up where she left off last week and delves into the insidious overlap between MLMs and the coaching industry, revealing how individuals are often encouraged to invest in self-help and coaching as a means to succeed in MLMs, only to find themselves deeper in a cycle of dependency and financial loss. 



Today, Jennifer is dedicated to educating others about the dangers of MLMs and coaching scams, working with nonprofits and schools to introduce anti-fraud curricula. Her story is a powerful testament to resilience and the importance of critical thinking, serving as a beacon of hope for those seeking to escape similar entanglements.


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The MLM To Coaching Pipeline w/Jennifer Rajala Pt. 2

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In this exclusive Patreon bonus episode, Rachel delves into the intriguing world of superstitions, exploring their historical and cultural roots and their impact on human behavior. The discussion centers around the fear of Friday the 13th, a day steeped in myth and superstition, and the psychological mechanisms that perpetuate these beliefs.



The episode also explores the psychology of superstitions, including cognitive biases that lead individuals to create false correlations and the role of social conformity in maintaining these beliefs. Rachel shares personal anecdotes and cultural examples, illustrating how deeply embedded superstitions can influence behavior and decision-making.




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BONUS EPISODE PREVIEW: Superstition & Fear-Based Indoctrination

In this poignant episode, Rachel is joined by Andrea Dunlop, an accomplished author and podcaster, who delves into the complex and often misunderstood topic of Munchausen by Proxy. Andrea, who has personal ties to the subject, shares her insights into the deceptive and abusive dynamics of this disorder. Her work aims to illuminate the psychological manipulation and coercion involved, drawing parallels to cult-like behaviors where individuals exert control over others to fulfill their own needs.



Through her podcast, "Nobody Should Believe Me," and the upcoming book "The Mother Next Door: Medicine, Deception, and Munchausen by Proxy," Andrea seeks to bring attention to this troubling form of abuse, offering support to survivors and families affected by it.




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Nobody Should Believe Me w/Andrea Dunlop

In this enlightening episode, Rachel sits down with Nicole Bedera, a sociologist and author of the forthcoming book, "On the Wrong Side: How Universities Protect Perpetrators and Betray Survivors of Sexual Violence." Nicole's research sheds light on the systemic issues within educational institutions that contribute to the trauma of survivors and perpetuate sexual violence.



The conversation delves into the troubling parallels between cult-like dynamics and the ways universities often fail to support survivors, instead prioritizing the protection of perpetrators. Nicole shares her insights from over a decade of work as a victim advocate and researcher, highlighting the pervasive victim-blaming culture and the institutional betrayal that exacerbates trauma for survivors.



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On The Wrong Side w/ Nicole Bedera, Ph.D

In this powerful episode, Rachel welcomes Laila Mickelwait, co-founder and CEO of the Justice Defense Fund and leader of the Trafficking Hub movement. Laila has dedicated her life to combating sex trafficking and holding Pornhub accountable for profiting from criminal sexual abuse. Her work, which has been featured in major media outlets, exposes the dark underbelly of the porn industry and its ties to sex trafficking.



The discussion highlights the parallels between cult dynamics and the exploitation within the porn industry, focusing on the manipulation, coercion, and indoctrination involved. Lila shares heart-wrenching stories of victims whose lives have been shattered by these crimes, emphasizing the urgent need for systemic change and justice for survivors.



Laila's national bestseller, "Takedown: Inside the Fight to Shut Down Pornhub for Child Abuse, Rape, and Sex Trafficking," offers a gripping account of her battle to expose and dismantle a criminal online empire. Her insights into the psychological impact on victims and the pervasive culture of victim-blaming provide a sobering look at the challenges faced by those seeking justice.



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Takedown w/Laila Mickelwait

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In this conversation, Rachel Bernstein and Andrew Pledger explore the themes presented in the movie 'Wicked', particularly focusing on the concepts of difference, acceptance, and the struggle for authenticity. Andrew shares his personal reflections on how the story resonates with his experiences growing up in a high-control religious environment. They discuss the dangers of black-and-white thinking, the importance of understanding emotions like anger, and the need for community and connection in the healing journey. The conversation emphasizes the significance of speaking out against oppressive systems and the power of self-discovery.

BONUS EPISODE PREVIEW: The Cult Dynamics of Wicked w/Andrew Pledger

Stacey Aviva Flint continues sharing her story about her mission to Kenya with the International Churches of Christ. Her one year trip became two years, as she was forced, unexpectedly, to pay her own way after dropping out of college and living homeless in New York for months.

Stacey also shares her experiences with therapy while in the group and after choosing to leave. At one point she encountered Kip McKeen, the group's leader. She also describes what she was looking for while recruiting as a missionary, and what was expected of her in this role.

Stay tuned, Before You Go: How do people get caught in the paradox of being elevated and devastated at the same time? Rachel reveals how often the rules of a cult put guilt on its followers; simultaneously elevating those with uncompromising loyalty.

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Have you ever wanted to know what it's like to be with a narcissist? Rachel walks us through a deep psychoanalysis of narcissistic types; tying in real stories from her experience as a therapist.

Learn tips to distinguish bad social behavior from manipulation. Unfortunately, this type of abuse can be present in relationships with parents, partners, employers-- people you should be able to trust. Some take advantage of others' loyalty for their own benefit. Rachel debunks common excuses they use to dismiss their own behavior and project blame onto their victim.

Hear Rachel's first solo episode, "Home Invasion": https://soundcloud.com/indoctrinationshow/episode-16-home-invasion

Stay tuned, Before You Go: Rachel shares the story of a girl whose relationship with her narcissistic father led to her being manipulated again by her partner as an adult. She describes many of the unhealthy relationships she's seen as a therapist and gives advice on separating yourself from a parasitic person.

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