There is purpose in your pain. "Professor Pain" has something to teach you, if you'll let her. Pressing into your pain can make you more powerful than you ever imagined.

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Season One Ep. 001 // Professor Pain

Joel dives deep into his story, his pain and his healing. With no holds barred vulnerability, he reveals how by pressing into his pain he found his power.

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Season One Ep. 002 // Press into the Pain, Then Possess your Power

In this episode, Casey share's her story of finding the courage to belong to herself first - to stand alone - and brave the wilderness.

"True belonging is not about fitting in, pretending, or making the people around us comfortable because that's safer," says Brene Brown.

One day, Casey chose to deny what felt comfortable and chose courage instead. Her life instantly changed as she discovered true belonging doesn't require you to change who you are. No, it requires you to be who you are!  This is her story of when she chose to belong fully to herself - the day she started braving the wilderness.

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Season One Ep. 003 //  Braving the Wilderness

In this episode, Casey and Joel share the lessons they are learning in the wilderness. How to navigate the shame-storm that gathers for every wilderness sojourner.  Answering these howling questions:  Why didn't I fight for myself sooner? What's wrong with me? How did I allow myself to get into that situation in the first place?

The desire to "belong" is primal. We intrinsically desire to belong to something greater than ourselves and to find "true belonging."  We all look for our group, our people, our tribe.

Because the desire to belong is so primal, it's easy to give up one's authenticity, freedom and power - and not even recognize it - to fit in with the group.

But . . . true belonging only happens, as Casey says in this episode, "When we present out true authentic selves to the world." Finding your squad is important, but it should never come at the expense of your authenticity, freedom and power. 

As Brene Brown says, "True belonging is not about fitting in, pretending, or making the people around us comfortable because that's safer." 

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Season One Ep. 004 //  Braving the Wilderness (Part 2)

In this episode, Dr. Joel and Casey talk about how to heal, set healthy boundaries and reengage!

When you heal, set healthy boundaries and reengage, you emerge more authentic, more real and more powerful. Reengagement casts off all of the power that a person, organization or wound has over you! Reengaging is refusing to remain a character in your own story. Reengaging is the choice to become the author of your own story and write your own daring ending.

How will your story to end? That’s entirely up to you. 

Will you reengage?

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Season One Ep. 005 //  Braving the Wilderness (Part 3)

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Dr. Joel and Casey discuss their highly caffeinated marital confrontation over — of all things — coffee! This married duo, vulnerably bears all — in true Messy Life fashion. In this hilarious episode you will learn how healthy confrontation can produce more marital trust. Trust is the foundation of every great marriage. Trust yields more love, more joy and more sex in a marriage.

When you really listen to your spouse’s perspective, take the time to understand them, (apologize if need be) and then humbly share your own perspective — a beautiful marriage is bound to develop.

What could be waiting on the other side of your messy marriage conversation?

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Season One Ep. 006 //  Messy Marriage Conversations (Bonus Episode)

"Vows begin when hope dies." said Leonardo da Vinci.  Inner vows set the trajectory of your life. Some are good vows and have positive results, but, conversely, negative vows yield negative results.

Negative vows will keep you from experiencing all the joy God has for you in this life. If you have found yourself going through the same kind of scenarios over and over again... it may be time to "do your work" and investigate if you've might have unknowingly made a negative vow along the way.

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Season One Ep. 007 //  Inner Vows

Conflict is inevitable in every relationship — especially, marriage relationships. Though most of us don't enjoy conflict,  Dr. Joel and Casey discuss how healthy conflict can build relationships.  Once again, this married duo, vulnerably bears all — in true Messy Life fashion. In this episode you will learn how healthy conflict can produce more marital trust and learn the 5 Apology Languages (five main ways people receive apologies). Trust is the foundation of every great marriage and team! Trust yields more love, more joy and more sex in a marriage.


When you really listen to your spouse’s perspective, take the time to understand them, (apologize if need be) and then humbly share your own perspective — a beautiful marriage is bound to develop.

What could be waiting on the other side of your messy marriage conversation?

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Season One Ep. 008 // Healthy Marriage Conflict

Identifying your own personality and the personalities of others is the road to greater compassion for all. It allows you to extend infinitely more grace and understanding to others and, more importantly, yourself. Personality tools like Myers-Briggs and the Enneagram are incredibly helpful in the journey of self-awareness and other centeredness. Understanding personalities shows us that "we can’t change the way other people see, but we can try to experience the world through their eyes and help them change what they do with what they see" says Ian Morgan Cron. 

Thich Nhat Hanh explains this well. He says, “When our hearts are small, our understanding and compassion are limited, and we suffer. We can’t accept or tolerate others and their shortcomings, and we demand that they change,” he says. “But when our hearts expand, these same things don’t make us suffer anymore. We have a lot of understanding and compassion and can embrace others. We accept others as they are, and then they have a chance to transform.”

If you want to see a real change in the people you work with, your family or your spouse, the first step starts with understanding them and yourself better. 

Think on what Thomas Merton said:

“The beginning of love is the will to let those we love be perfectly themselves, the resolution not to twist them to fit our own image. If in loving them we do not love what they are, but only their potential likeness to ourselves, then we do not love them: we only love the reflection of ourselves we find in them.”

In this episode, Joel + Casey talk about: 
1.)How to Identify your co-worker's, family's and spouse's personality type
2.)Understanding Meyers-Briggs Personality Types
3.)How to live with more grace and compassion for others and yourself


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Season One Ep. 009 //   Personality Typology

When you focus on others, magical things can occur. That's what Christmas is all about!

In this episode Dr. Joel & Casey have a conversation with Andy Williamson. Andy is the CEO of Theory (a marketing firm) and the Pastor of Factory Church. He and  Factory are have organized over 100 Christmas Trees (and 100 Christmas Tree Starter Kits) to give to needy families in the Charlotte area.

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Season One Ep. 010 //  Love, Trust & Faith(Christmas Bonus Episode *ft. Andy Williamson)

Identifying your own personality and the personalities of others is the road to greater compassion for all. It allows you to extend infinitely more grace and understanding to others and, more importantly, yourself. Personality tools like Myers-Briggs and the Enneagram are incredibly helpful in the journey of self-awareness and other centeredness. Understanding personalities shows us that "we can’t change the way other people see, but we can try to experience the world through their eyes and help them change what they do with what they see" says Ian Morgan Cron. 

Thich Nhat Hanh explains this well. He says, “When our hearts are small, our understanding and compassion are limited, and we suffer. We can’t accept or tolerate others and their shortcomings, and we demand that they change,” he says. “But when our hearts expand, these same things don’t make us suffer anymore. We have a lot of understanding and compassion and can embrace others. We accept others as they are, and then they have a chance to transform.”

If you want to see a real change in the people you work with, your family or your spouse, the first step starts with understanding them and yourself better. 

Think on what Thomas Merton said:

“The beginning of love is the will to let those we love be perfectly themselves, the resolution not to twist them to fit our own image. If in loving them we do not love what they are, but only their potential likeness to ourselves, then we do not love them: we only love the reflection of ourselves we find in them.”

In this episode, Joel + Casey talk about: 
1.)How to Identify your co-worker's, family's and spouse's personality type
2.)Understanding Enneagram Personality Types
3.)How to live with more grace and compassion for others and yourself


SHOW NOTES at joeljohnson.org/podcast

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Season One Ep. 011 //  Enneagram Typology (Part 1)

Season One Ep. 012 // Enneagram Typology (Part 2)

In this episode, Joel and Casey Johnson talk about how to discern and navigate manipulative leadership.

A master manipulator can be so magnetic the people unknowingly submit their sense of security to that person, relinquishing there God-given responsibility to govern their own lives, to a spiritous figure who says to them, "trust me, do what I say and everything will be fine." 

But Sadly...

Controlling, bully-type personalities are often secretly afraid, according to enneagram experts, Russ Hudson and Don Risso. They go on to explain that many maipulators and abusers encountered sever abuse as a child and subconsciously believe people are out to get them. They make themselves big, attempt to sound tough, intimidating others and rarely, if ever allow themselves to be vulnerable. They see no dissonance posing as the righteous hero, all the while lying, cheating and deceiving to protect themselves and their empire.

In this episode, Joel + Casey talk about:
- The 5 Characteristics of a Manipulative Leader
- The 9 Signs of when to leave an Organization (and)
- Joel and Casey's Real-life experiences with Manipulative Leaders

 "A true leader seeks to serve people, not control them." - Joel Johnson

Season Two Ep. 013 // Navigating Manipulative Leaders

Mind the Gap (Date 1 of 3): DOWNLOADS - Notes & Date Night Activity at joeljohnson.org/datenight

Even in the best marriages, there are relational gaps that must be minded to. Bridging those gaps is a natural part of every healthy marriage.  In great relationships, partners practice the art of falling in love over and over again. In this first Social Distancing Date, Joel and Casey Johnson will teach how. 

Social Distancing should not mean the end of your dating life! Hallelujah! This marks the end of your dating quarantine! Join Joel & Casey Johnson, professional marriage coaches, for the Social Distancing Date Night Challenge! Three fun (and free) quarantine dates that will move your marriage forward! No need to go out, because the Johnson's are bringing date night to you! For all the details head to joeljohnson.org/datenight

Season Two Ep. 014 // Social Distancing Date Night Challenge: "Mind the Gap"(Date 1 of 3)

DOWNLOAD: NOTES and Date Night ACTIVITY - http://joeljohnson.org/datenight

Great marriages “SYNERGIZE.” To experience synergy, couples must move beyond PREDICTIVE TRUST into VULNERABILITY-BASED TRUST. This changes everything in a marriage! 🤵🏼👰🏾

Joel & Casey will teach you how!

If you missed Date # 1, “Mind the Gap,” we got you! Please listen to podcast episode 14 or go to http://joeljohnson.org/datenight to watch and download your FREE Date Night Activity!

Season Two Ep. 015 // Social Distancing Date Night Challenge: "Trust Factor" (Date 2 of 3)

DOWNLOAD: NOTES & ACTIVITY (DATE 3 OF 3) http://joeljohnson.org/datenight/date-3-details

DO YOU FIGHT LIKE A HERO? 

In this hilarious episode Joel and Casey will teach you how to cut your fight time down by 90%! That means more time for loving and less time in conflict, who doesn’t want that?! 

You'll discover more about your (and the ones you love) apology language!

If you missed Date 1 or 2 “Mind the Gap” or “Trust Factor,” we got you! Simply go to joeljohnson.org/datenight to download your FREE Date Night Activity and watch!

Season Two Ep. 016 // Social Distancing Date Night Challenge: "Fight Night Heroes" (Date 3 of 3)

Life is Messy. But in the mess, there’s always a message. Life is always teaching us — attempting to awaken us — to live more fully from our true authentic self. Husband and wife duo, Joel and Casey Johnson, invite you to join them on their brave journey into vulnerability. Their hope is that through this podcast, you will find the purpose in your pain, the message in your mess and discover that you are more brave, courageous and strong than you could have ever imagined. Welcome to Messy Life!

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