In this interview, you will hear an illiterate elder Spanish national of Moroccan origin who migrated to Belgium in the recent years and who stranded in Antwerp.

Fawzia was living in Spain and she first sent her son - who is a minor of age - to her sister who lives in Belgium.  The sister got him into a school.  The kid loves living in Belgium more than living in Spain, said she, and because of him she followed her family to Belgium.

At her arrival she inquired with a Moroccan woman who she simply met in the street, she said.  That Moroccan woman assured that she can help her get the identity card.  She requested 500 euro from Fawzia.  She helped her fill in the documents (which she did not show me).  The unknown Moroccan woman filled out the rest and sent the documents to Brussels, Fawzia reported.  Fawzia said that she obtained her identity card from the Antwerp administration.  With that, she was able to apply for a social aid.

Her Belgian identity card was cancelled when it was found that she had no property in Spain whereas she declared owning property.  She didn’t tell to the social service that someone else handled her files and she paid 500 euro for a card which normally costs between 25 and 30 euro.

I suggested that she tells her story to the police, to have the identity card checked as well as the supply chain of the card, the chip and everything.  She is not in a hurry for doing this.  We are.  We are sick and tired of terrorism and wars.  We are doing everything to cut off the financial resources for terrorism, which is likely the purpose of this type of fraud.

The language of the intervieuw is in colloquial Moroccan Arabic.  Some English is spoken at the end, when others began to investigate with me.
  
We are delivering the uncensored raw file of the interview in full awareness that certain personal details that are being disclosed may have consequences and risks, including intimidations against the speaker and the interviewer.  The sooner the menaces are declared, the sooner we can identify the people in the criminal network.

Naima Mouali