It’s easy to look at the day’s headlines and think: That’s not how things are supposed to work!

Contempt for the planet. Fear of the other. Rampant inequity. Multi-billionaires in space.

But we’ve got news: this is exactly how things are supposed to work. The systems that spin out scarcity, hate, and injustice are working exactly as they were designed to.

Our goal is to reveal those systems—not just the ones embedded in our politics and culture but also in our minds—and explore the ways we can start to do things differently. 

We started this podcast to create a space to shine a light on all of the equity problems that we were seeing in the personal development and online business space. And after 103 episodes of critiquing and providing actionable solutions to this niche audience, we’re zooming out. 

Today, the project sounds a little different. The scaffolding of oppression is at work everywhere. In current events—from economic news to celebrity gossip, from not-so-random acts of violence to radical culture-making and everything in between.

Collective liberation comes from our willingness to confront uncomfortable truths, build community, understand the interconnectedness of our humanity, and reimagine our way forward. 

There’s a path of possibility ahead of us as long as we can agree that this isn’t how things have to work.

That’s Not How That Works brings you a real, unscripted, nuanced critique of the world available on all podcast platforms, so make sure to follow or subscribe on your podcast app of choice. 

And you can support the show by rating, leaving us a review, sharing the show, and joining us on Patreon for as little as $2 per month - that’s patreon.com/nothowthatworks

We hope that you’re as excited as we are about the new format and vibe of the show.

Learn more about Trudi Lebron:
Website: https://trudilebron.com/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/trudilebron/

Learn more about Louzia "Weeze" Doran:
Website: https://www.accordingtoweeze.com/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/accordingtoweeze/

Support the show on Patreon: 
patreon.com/nothowthatworks

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And we’re back!


It’s been a minute since we released an episode, so we’re going to catch you up on where we’ve been, how we got here, and what’s coming up for this iteration of the show as we return to our roots of applying our equity and liberation lens to what’s happening in the wider world.


Listen to the full episode to hear:

	⁃	Our evolution from Hey, Auntie to the coaching and personal
development world and back to broader critique
	⁃	How Trudi has shifted her work to creating opportunities to reach and impact more people, and why the podcast is a part of that
	⁃	Why we need to be willing to get curious and have nuanced conversations about the path forward
	⁃	How the show is reflecting Weeze’s realization that she needed to zoom out on how she was getting through the day-to-day
	⁃	Why we’re pivoting away from discussing the coaching industry


Support the show on Patreon: patreon.com/nothowthatworks 


Links and Resources: 

	⁃	If I Were a Fish: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dx_vMONe3tM


Learn more about Trudi Lebron:

	⁃	Website: trudilebron.com/
	⁃	Instagram: www.instagram.com/trudilebron/


Learn more about Louza "Weeze" Doran:

	⁃	Website: www.accordingtoweeze.com/
	⁃	Instagram: www.instagram.com/accordingtoweeze/

Ep 104: Reimagining The Path Forward

“This is a safe space.”

It’s a common refrain, but what does it mean to be and to create safe spaces? And who gets to decide what is safe?

Too often, declaring a space “safe” means being resistant to the discomfort of being challenged or held accountable.

We’re digging into safe spaces, how the term has been defanged in popular discourse, and creating spaces that honor everyone’s humanity, while remaining open to challenging conversations, transparency, and accountability.

Listen to the full episode to hear:
-Why our spaces need to acknowledge and honor the humanity of everyone present
-Why safe spaces need to leave room for challenges and accountability
-Defining a safe space as a container for a exploration, practice, and transformation happening in community
-How the popularization of the term has taken it from safe to soft
-Why safe spaces require co-creation, reciprocity, and community agreements
-Why consuming someone’s content doesn’t make them responsible for your safety
-How aversion to conflict stalls social movements
-Why Brene Brown’s definition of a safe space falls so short

Support the show on Patreon: 
-patreon.com/nothowthatworks

Links and Resources:
-Shawn Ginwright
-Ep 29: When Glennon Doyle's Attempt at Allyship Went Wrong
-Mellody Hobson: Color blind or color brave? | TED Talk
-Ep. 94: So You Wanna Talk About Accountability

Learn more about Trudi Lebron:

⁃ Website: www.trudilebron.com/
⁃ Instagram: www.instagram.com/trudilebron/

Learn more about Louzia "Weeze" Doran:

⁃ Website: www.accordingtoweeze.com/
⁃ Instagram: www.instagram.com/accordingtoweeze/

Ep 105: Unpacking the Concept of Safe Space

Today, we’re getting into the world of professional sports.

Ja Morant is a basketball player for the Memphis Grizzlies who has been in the news this year for multiple incidents of misconduct and erratic behavior and was suspended from multiple NBA games, including his most recent bout of cryptic messages on social media that led to a welfare check by Tennessee police.

But what we want to talk about is how we can reframe these events and their aftermath in a more liberatory, anti-oppressive way.

Content note: this episode will contain discussion of guns and gun culture

Listen to the full episode to hear:

A brief history of Morant’s misconduct and why the morality clause in his contract matters more than whether he broke any laws

How public perception and brand management shape the consequences of actions like Morant’s

How systemic oppression and limited opportunities lead to athletes being upheld as role models when they shouldn’t necessarily be

Why it matters that Morant is only 23

The NBA’s evolving response to gun culture in the last decade

A youth development approach to handling these kinds of cases that actually supports the person in making change


Support the show on Patreon: 
patreon.com/nothowthatworks

Learn more about Trudi Lebron:

Website: www.trudilebron.com/
Instagram: www.instagram.com/trudilebron/

Learn more about Louiza “Weeze” Doran:

Website: www.accordingtoweeze.com/
Instagram: www.instagram.com/accordingtoweeze/

Ep 106: Ja Morant: What Healing, Justice, and Repair Looks Like

People of all identities connect through shared culture, whether it’s language, region, or a subculture like hip hop. 

So who gets to decide what culture you have access to and can claim as yours? What makes an expression of culture “authentic?”

We’re digging into culture versus cultural appropriation, the difference between culture and race, the impact of socio-cultural environment on expression, and why critiques and call-outs aren’t always helpful or necessary.

Listen to the full episode to hear:
Make It Make Sense: Why are we one-upping each other about wildfires?
The difference between caricaturizing Black womanhood and expressing your natural tone, cadence, and vernacular
How race and culture all too often get conflated
How callouts without context reinforce the notion of racial monoliths
How enforcing and upholding racial stereotypes is a product of white supremacy culture
Who actually gets to call out cultural appropriation and whether a cultural representation is authentic or performative

Support the show on Patreon: 
patreon.com/nothowthatworks

Links and Resources:
Nina Lin on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@n.nina666
Madonna Might Be An Appropriator…But You Don’t Have to Be:  https://pod.link/1358150402/episode/be1bfa8a2cb2944b9296335a49787156

Learn more about Trudi Lebron:
Website: www.trudilebron.com/
Instagram: www.instagram.com/trudilebron/

Learn more about Louiza “Weeze” Doran:
Website: www.accordingtoweeze.com/
Instagram: www.instagram.com/accordingtoweeze/

Ep 107: Culture vs Cultural Appropriation

This podcast is an exploration of diversity, inclusion, and equity and how these things show up, (or don’t) in our personal and professional communities.

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