Great show again. One small note: Perhaps reconsider the both-sidesism in a situation like this. I can, without hesitation, declare solidarity with the residents.

Naomi Klein, author of 'The Shock Doctrine' and the upcoming 'Doppelganger: A Trip Into Mirror World', joins us to talk about QAnon, "diagonalist politics", and why people keep confusing her with Naomi Wolf online.

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Music by Pontus Berghe. Editing by Corey Klotz.

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Episode 246: Age of Doppelgangers feat Naomi Klein

"Hitler was a product of his time," historian Kent Gardner told us in 1975, just thirty years after the end of World War II. "Was Frank Rizzo racist, or just a product of his time?" The Philadelphia Inquirer pondered in 2017 about the city's notoriously racist former police commissioner and mayor just 26 years after his death. "Christopher Columbus, no saint, was product of his time," explained a 2013 commentary in the Staten Island Advance.

We often hear this sentiment in reference to historical atrocities. Slaveowners, colonizers, genocidal tyrants, and right-wing bigots from decades or centuries past didn't know any better. They were simply responding to the time and place in which they lived — a different time, marked by different social mores, moral standards, and laws.

While it's perhaps fair to cite this cliche to explain, rather than justify, awkward song lyrics or offensive language and stereotypes used in movies from decades ago. But it's an entirely different issue with respect to how we venerate and remember the past. Especially since, in the most popular cases, famous people’s bad actions were roundly criticized, at the time.

Long popular as a catch-all to hand-wave away the misdeeds of slaveowners, colonizers and war mongers, Increasingly educational movements on the American right––from Ron DeSantis trying to remake history education to conservative propaganda targeting kids like PragerU — this "product of its time" cliché and its close cousin "don't judge the past by the standards of today" is making a bit of comeback, if it ever went away at all.

The defensive, superficially appealing cliche is a popular go-to for those who think we shouldn't criticize the supposedly sacrosanct secular deities of our past — from George Washington to Ronald Reagan. But the whole concept operates under a glaring double standard: how can we take pride in and venerate the supposedly good things Americans in history did but ignore and dismiss the bad things? How can we pick and choose our moral inheritance at will? How does the need for us to downplay slavery, colonization, and Jim Crow continue to be such a strong political force? And whose interests does this down-playing serve in 2023?

On this episode, we dissect the notion that the reactionary forces of history have just been "products of their time." We'll explore the ways in which this and related concepts are not only inaccurate, but also convenient instruments of right-wing historical revisionism, and how the need to make people feel good about our civic mythology makes for bad history, and even worse politics.

Our guest is historian and museum educator Erin Bartram.

Ep 189: PragerU, the 'Product Of His Time' Defense & the White Guilt Amelioration Industrial Complex

We welcome Vincent Bevins back to the show to chat about his new book If We Burn: The Mass Protest Decade and the Missing Revolution (hachettebookgroup.com/titles/vincent-bevins/if-we-burn/9781541788978/?lens=publicaffairs). Starting with the June 2013 protests in Brazil, we walk through the last ten years of uprisings in various cities around the world, what was learned, what wasn’t, and what is to be done.

Episode 324: Burn After Reading

Did U.S. forces fight and kill a redheaded giant in the Afghan province of Kandahar? Is it possible to connect the dots about the United States’ role in Afghanistan — and the Middle East — without resorting to stories about giants? We answer these questions with Brendan James and Noah Kulwin of the Blowback podcast.

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Noah Kulwin: https://twitter.com/nkulw
Brendan James: https://twitter.com/deep_beige

Music by Pontus Berghe. Editing by Corey Klotz.

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Episode 250: The Giant of Kandahar feat Noah Kulwin & Brendan James (Blowback Podcast)

In this public News Brief we discuss the recent escalation in violence in "the middle east" and the quickly-forming bipartisan consensus to jam the issue into a simplistic, dehumanizing War on Terror narrative

News Brief: US Media, Washington Rush Head First into 9/11 2.0

Recorded 11/16/23

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Episode 317: Ye Workers Of Iniquity

Sports journalist Karim Zidan returns to the show to catch up with Felix about the world of combat sports and their attendant politics. They discuss responses to Israel/Gaza in the MMA world, developments in Saudi Arabia’s use of sports for soft power, political use of fight sports in Chechnya, and the deep bromance between Dana White and Donald Trump.

Find Karim's writing at: https://www.sportspolitika.news/
Follow Karim at: https://twitter.com/ZidanSports

Prod note: we’re putting out two public episodes today, partially to re-align the episode numberings to keep Monday eps even and Thursday eps odd. Obviously something only I care about, but also just letting you know to expect a regular Patreon ep this Thursday.

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787 - Octagonal Relations feat. Karim Zidan (12/4/23)

TrueAnon’s Liz Franczak helps us look at this week’s GOP debate, the candidates’ pandering to the weirdest freaks in their audience, and Ron DeSantis’ love of Calvin Coolidge.

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789 Teaser - GOP Losers’ Club

Annie Kelly takes us on a road trip to Cressbrook, Derbyshire, where a pilled community of wannabe farmers have somehow purchased land within the Peak District National Park. The group is led by former reality television star Rachel Elnaugh, an entrepreneur who appeared on the BBC television show “Dragon’s Den.” How will the residents of Cressbrook take to a group of strangers who fully intend to turn their cherished landscapes into an ‘apocalypse-ready’ farm? Find out in part one of this two part saga brought to you by our beloved UK host.

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Music by Pontus Berghe and NAP. Editing by Corey Klotz.

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Episode 258:  Pilled in the Peak District (Part 1)

Annie Kelly is back in the Peak District to delve further into an ongoing struggle between the peaceful residents of Cressbrook Dale and a rogue band of doomsday farmers led by former “Dragon’s Den” host, Rachel Elnaugh.  This time, Annie will be speaking to residents and hapless hikers who have been accosted by Rachel’s followers and their recon drones.   She’ll also unpack a mysterious “anti-Rachel” website that popped up after being advertised on flyers distributed in the area, in the hopes of discovering just who might be behind it.  Here’s a hint… it’s not the residents.   

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Music by Pontus Berghe and NAP. Editing by Corey Klotz.

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Episode 259:  Pilled in the Peak District (Part 2)

Our holiday present to you all is the gift of Jake, Liv, Julian, and Travis losing their collective minds over the new film “Leave The World Behind” – a pre-apocalyptic film executive produced by Barack and Michelle Obama.  Not only will they be staggering their way through the plot of the film and its production history, but they’ll also be taking a look at the online conspiracy community’s reaction to the film.  Rest assured it’s a ‘great holiday bake-off’, minus the presence of anything sweet and savory.  

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Music by Pontus Berghe. Editing by Corey Klotz.

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Episode 260:  Leave The Obamas Behind

Conspiracy theories, melted online communities and cursed media — we pry open the cracks in consensus reality and journey into the hidden worlds below. The QAA Podcast is a mix of reporting, comedy, and history hosted by Jake Rockatansky, Travis View, and Julian Feeld along with co-hosts Annie Kelly, Liv Agar and Brad Abrahams. Formerly known as the QAnon Anonymous podcast.

Episode 259: Pilled in the Peak District (Part 2)

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