Tanya Meisenholder is the Deputy Commissioner of Equity and Inclusion for the New York City Police Department (NYPD). We talk about hiring and retaining a diverse workforce, engaging underrepresented groups within the police service, and what she learned about being "black and blue" in a post-George Floyd world.

#33 (Tanya Meisenholder)

Dr. Justin Nix is a distinguished associate professor of Criminology and Criminal Justice at the University of Nebraska Omaha, and this year's Outstanding Young Experimental Criminologist. We chat about his research on procedural justice, police legitimacy, and the use of deadly force.

#42 (Justin Nix)

Shon Barnes is the police chief in Madison, Wisconsin. A new documentary (the 54th mile policing project) follows Chief Barnes and two other black police officers as they undertake a historic civil rights march from Selma to Montgomery Alabama. Jerry Ratcliffe chats with Dr. Barnes about his embracing of education and evidence-based policing, the challenges of working with communities in the post-George Floyd world, and the lessons he took away from his three-day trek across Alabama.

#48 (Shon Barnes)

Dr. Steve James is now an assistant professor in the Department of Translational Medicine and Physiology at Washington State University, having previously served for over 20 years in the British military. He has since become one of the US’s foremost experts on the effects of fatigue and sleep deprivation on law enforcement. He outlines a range of practical ways police officers can manage their sleep, coffee and stimulant intake, overtime, and seasonal changes.

#58 (Steve James)

In this episode of the Reducing Crime Podcast, host Jerry Ratcliffe interviews Detective Superintendent Dave Cowan of Australia's Victoria Police. They discuss Cowan's journey into evidence-based policing (EBP) and the experiments he has conducted, including a focused deterrence trial and a trial using behavioral science to reduce failure to appear at court. They also discuss the importance of rigorous testing and evaluation in policing strategies, the need for better communication and application of research in policing, and the challenges and progress in implementing EBP within police organizations. Cowan emphasizes the importance of leadership, curiosity, and innovation in driving change and improving policing practices.

#64 (Dave Cowan)

In this episode, John Mina, the Sheriff of Orange County, Florida, discusses his background in law enforcement, including his time as Chief of Police in Orlando, and his decision to run for Sheriff. He talks about the benefits and challenges of being an elected law enforcement official and the unique role of the Sheriff in American policing. Mina also shares his views on recruitment and retention, the relationship between law enforcement and the media, and the issues facing sheriffs and police chiefs alike, such as recruitment, violent crime, homelessness, mental health, and officer wellness.

#72 (John Mina)

Grant Edwards APM, a retired commander from the Australian Federal Police, shares his experiences and struggles with post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD) in this episode. He discusses the cumulative effect of trauma in policing and the importance of mental health management, and emphasizes the need for a mentally safe workplace and a culture that supports vulnerability and open communication. He suggests that organizations should prioritize mental health literacy and provide resources for self-care, such as movement and exercise. Grant also highlights the significance of leadership at all levels in creating a supportive environment for officers.

#74 (Grant Edwards)

Dr. Ian Adams talks about his career in policing, his transition to academia, and his recent policy research paper titled "Fuck: The Police." They discuss the use of profanity in policing and the need for a nuanced approach to regulating it. Adams conducted a survey experiment with police chiefs and sheriffs across the United States, finding a strong national consensus on the issue. He argues that policy should focus on the impact of profanity on public trust and professionalism rather than implementing blanket bans. Adams also highlights the creativity and problem-solving skills of police officers and the challenges they face in their daily work. Just be advised that the episode features strong, and often highly imaginative, language right from the start.

#75 (Ian Adams)

Jason Potts is the chief of the Las Vegas Department of Public Safety, and the president of the American Society of Evidence-Based Policing. Potts discusses the challenges of implementing evidence-based policing practices as a police leader, including getting buy-in from frontline officers, middle managers, and elected officials. In this chat, he emphasizes the importance of developing a culture that embraces ambiguity, risk, and failure as part of the process of implementing evidence-based reforms. 

#77 (Jason Potts)

Adrian Raine is the Richard Perry University Professor of Criminology, Psychiatry, and Psychology at the University of Pennsylvania. Raine's pioneering work has used brain imaging and psychophysiological techniques to study the biological factors underlying antisocial and violent behavior, including in violent offenders and psychopaths. We have a fun and accessible chat about everything from psychopaths to the nature or nurture debate.

#78 (Adrian Raine)

A line-of-duty death is the ultimate tragedy for a police department. Nobody likes to tempt fate, but planning ahead can make a significant difference should a catastrophe occur. After her police officer husband Greg was killed in the line of duty, Kassy Alia Ray founded the non-profit organization Serve & Connect and in this episode discusses how it fosters positive change through sustainable police-community partnerships. She also has practical proactive measures, borne of personal experience, that can help a police department navigate the unthinkable.

#79 (Kassy Alia Ray)

Jerry Ratcliffe talks to Professor Cliff Stott, a distinguished social psychologist specializing in crowd behavior, group identity, and public order policing. Stott discusses his background and early life experiences, and how this led him to study crowd psychology and develop the Elaborated Social Identity Model as an alternative to outdated mob psychology theories. Stott's work aims to debunk the myth that crowds inherently lose control and become irrational, arguing instead that crowd behavior is guided by shared social identities and norms. Instead, indiscriminate use of force by police can escalate crowd conflicts, by creating a shared identity of opposition to the police.

#80 (Cliff Stott)

Gina Hawkins, experienced police leader, former chief, and President of the National Association of Women Law Enforcement Executives, discusses the importance of support networks and mentorship for women in policing, especially at the executive level. She emphasizes the ‘sorority-like’ connections among women leaders that provide crucial emotional and professional support. She talks about the personal sacrifices that come with taking on leadership, the need for better mental health and wellness support for police officers, as well as the historical stigma and lack of resources around this issue. Also discussed are the barriers and biases that women, particularly women of color, face in advancing to leadership positions in policing. 

#81 (Gina Hawkins)

Loren Atherley is the Senior Director of Performance Analytics & Research and the Senior Research Scientist for the Seattle Police Department. He emphasizes the importance of taking an incremental, gradual approach to implementing evidence-based policing. He focuses on building data curiosity and buy-in within the department by providing useful analytical products and dashboards. He advocates for hiring "pracademics" - academics with applied experience - to help bridge the gap between research and practice in policing. This allows departments to leverage rigorous methodology while still understanding the practical realities. However, Dr. Atherley also acknowledges the need for caution when applying advanced analytics and machine learning to policing.

#82 (Loren Atherley)

David Décary-Hétu is a professor at the University of Montreal and chair of the Darknet and Anonymity Research Centre. Décary-Hétu's research focuses on studying data from offenders who use anonymity technologies like the dark web, cryptocurrencies, and encryption. He reveals that the dark web was originally developed by the military to enable anonymous communication, and that while the dark web and other anonymity technologies pose challenges for law enforcement, they are not the unbreakable havens for crime that are sometimes portrayed in media. The dark web enables new types of crime, but repeated disruptions of dark web markets can lead to some offenders becoming discouraged and quitting.

#83 (David Décary-Hétu)

Stacey Rothwell is the director of innovation action across seven police forces leading ERIN, the Eastern Region Innovation Network in the UK. After a career as a sworn officer, including as a detective in financial investigation, she returned in a civilian role, pioneering the innovative use of rapid video response in domestic violence cases. She chatted to Jerry Ratcliffe at the Somers Town Coffee House to discuss her career and the challenges of getting an experiment in rapid video response up and running.

#84 (Stacey Rothwell)

Nola Joyce is a highly accomplished civilian policing professional who has served in leadership roles with the police departments of Chicago, Washington D.C., and Philadelphia where she held the rank of Deputy Commissioner. She is now a Partner and Principal Consultant for 21CP Solutions. In Chicago she helped implement the famous CAPS community policing program, and then in Philadelphia, she was instrumental in designing and evaluating key policing initiatives, such as the Philadelphia Foot Patrol Experiment and Philadelphia Policing Tactics Experiment. Her chat with host Jerry Ratcliffe discusses the role of civilian staff in policing, their mentorship and development, and the support they bring to police leaders.  She emphasized the importance of balancing innovative ideas with relevance and acceptance from frontline officers.

#85 (Nola Joyce)

Matt Bland is the Chief Operating Officer of the Society of Evidence-Based Policing, and an associate professor with the Police Executive Programme at the University of Cambridge. Prior to that, Dr. Bland spent a decade and a half with Norfolk and Suffolk Constabularies, in a range of intelligence and crime analyst roles. We talk about his background as police analyst, the state of EBP, and how many divorces are required to be a serious organized crime detective.

#86 (Matt Bland)

Jeremy Wilson is a Professor in the School of Criminal Justice and the Founding Director of the Police Staffing Observatory at Michigan State University. Before that, he was a Behavioral Scientist at the RAND Corporation. His chat with host Jerry Ratcliffe covers police recruitment, what is wrong with so many operational allocation models, and how the world of police staffing is changing.

#87 (Jeremy Wilson)

Ben Bradford is Professor of Global City Policing at University College London, where he is Director of the Centre for Global City Policing.  He chats to Jerry Ratcliffe about police legitimacy, his research on what people want from the police, and what law enforcement leaders need to know about improving trust in policing. 

#88 (Ben Bradford)

Chuck Tyree has served with New York State’s Division of Criminal Justice Service for over a decade and currently supervises programs in their Office of Public Safety. He oversees the Gun-Involved Violence Elimination (GIVE) initiative, as well as manages grant-funded programs, coordinates statewide technical assistance, and facilitates research into evidence-based policing strategies. In this wide-ranging chat with Jerry Ratcliffe, they cover everything from mental health during man-made and natural disasters to the state’s gun and intimate partner violence initiatives. 

#89 (Chuck Tyree)

The episode features a conversation with Dr. Obed Magny, a former Sacramento police officer and co-founder of the American Society of Evidence-Based Policing. He discusses emotional intelligence and its importance in policing, including how it can help officers de-escalate tense situations by reading the room and managing their own emotions. Magny shares how he would use emotional intelligence tactics like distracting arguing parties or engaging with them in unexpected ways to diffuse domestic disputes. The discussion highlights the lack of training on soft skills like emotional intelligence compared to technical policing skills, and how developing emotional intelligence can benefit police culture and community relations.

#90 (Obed Magny)

In this podcast episode, Jerry Ratcliffe interviews Kim Rossmo, a former detective and current professor in the School of Criminal Justice at Texas State University. Rossmo discusses his research on investigative failures and wrongful convictions. He explains that investigative failures often involve a cluster of factors, including personal biases, rush to judgment, and confirmation bias. He emphasizes the importance of evaluating the reliability of evidence and avoiding tunnel vision in investigations. Rossmo also suggests the use of devil's advocates and external reviews to identify weaknesses in investigations.

#04 (Kim Rossmo)

Jerry Ratcliffe interviews Tamara Herold, a researcher who worked on the award-winning PIVOT Project. The PIVOT Project, which stands for Place-Based Investigations of Violent Offender Territories, aimed to understand why violent crime hotspots persist and how to effectively reduce crime in these areas. The project involved investigating the networks of places and offenders in these hotspots and implementing a citywide violence reduction strategy. The project achieved impressive results, with a significant reduction in violence in the targeted locations. The success of the project was attributed to the collaboration between various city departments, the involvement of investigators, and the support of city leaders.

#05 (Tamara Herold)

I catch up with Geoff Alpert, professor of criminal justice at the University of South Carolina, and a stalwart of the policing research field for over 30 years. We discuss how to get research into the hands of police officers, and what are the essential skills for a new policing researcher coming out of a graduate program.

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#07 (Geoff Alpert)

In this episode of the Reducing Crime podcast, host Jerry Ratcliffe interviews Marcus Felson, a professor of Criminal Justice at Texas State University and the originator of the routine activities approach to crime. Felson discusses the origins and importance of the routine activities theory in crime prevention. He emphasizes the need for simplicity and clarity in criminology research and criticizes mainstream criminologists for their vague and confusing conceptualizations. Felson also discusses the practical applications of his theory, such as the design and management of the nighttime economy and the issue of outsiders camouflaging the crimes of insiders. He encourages students and practitioners to focus on narrow, practical problems and to provide useful advice rather than getting caught up in grand theories and policies.

#16 (Marcus Felson)

In this episode of the Reducing Crime podcast, host Jerry Ratcliffe interviews Professor Lawrence Sherman, director of the Cambridge Centre for Evidence-Based Policing at the University of Cambridge. They discuss executive police education, harm-focused victimization, and the use of algorithms in policing. Professor Sherman also talks about the police constable degree apprenticeship program and the challenges of implementing evidence-based policing in the US. He emphasizes the importance of education and the need to explain the value and legitimacy of using science in policing. Professor Sherman believes that pracademics, individuals who combine practical experience with academic knowledge, can play a crucial role in driving evidence-based policing forward.

#17 (Lawrence Sherman)

Danny Murphy is the Deputy Commissioner over the Compliance Bureau at the Baltimore Police Department in Maryland, where he leads the implementation of Baltimore’s extensive consent decree which mandates comprehensive reforms to improve operations and build public trust in the wake of civic unrest and fractured police-community relations. We talk about what consent decrees are, how police departments get into them, get out of them, and the pros and cons of being in a consent decree.

#25 (Danny Murphy)

Bill Walsh is a lieutenant with the Voorhees police department in New Jersey. We chat about his work as their Health and Wellness Coordinator integrating a board-certified policy psychologist and police families into a comprehensive program geared towards officer wellness and resiliency.

#29 (Bill Walsh)

Rod Brunson is the Thomas P. O’Neill Professor of Public Life at Northeastern University. We discuss his op-ed in the Washington Post that, at the height of the protests around the killing of George Floyd and calls to defund policing, pointing out that under-policing could be just as deadly for high crime neighborhoods as over-policing.

#30 (Rod Brunson)

A monthly podcast featuring conversations with influential thinkers in the police service and leading crime and policing researchers working to advance public safety. Often amusing, often enlightening, always informative. Jerry Ratcliffe (professor and former police officer) chats to a range of international guests covering police, policing, crime science, criminology, criminal justice, and public safety policy. Details and transcripts at reducingcrime.com/podcast.

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