In a truly unique twist, Jay Allen hands over the mic (sort of) to longtime friend and fellow safety disruptor Sheldon Primus—only to have the interview about Safety, In My Opinion take a very unexpected turn. What starts as a conversation about Jay’s new book quickly evolves into a deep dive on simulation theory, HOP, tattoos, the origin of Safety FM, and the system cracks we’ve all been trained to ignore.

From the tragedy that sparked Jay’s shift from operations to safety, to confronting burnout, binaural beats, archetypes, and that infamous question mark tattoo—this episode unpacks it all. Plus: a behind-the-scenes story about the 30,000-download episode that launched Safety FM into orbit.

🔓 Bonus: Free audiobook code inside and a sneak peek at Safety Mutation and the upcoming Safety Transmission—completing the Signal Transmission Trilogy.

🧠 Systems. Signal. Simulation.
It’s not a podcast episode—it’s a decoded transmission.

Episode 722 – The Reverse Interview: When Sheldon Primus Flips the Script

Today on The Jay Allen Show, Jay speaks with Tricia Kagerer. She is a book author, a pioneer in the field, and the first female recipient of the CSP Award of Excellence presented by the BCSP. During the conversation, Tricia discusses her career, how she got to where she is now, and how The B Words' concept came about.

Enjoy it today on The Jay Allen Show.

Safety FM would like to thank Air Med Care for being the signature sponsor of this episode!

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Episode 722 – The Reverse Interview: When Sheldon Primus Flips the Script

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