How is white supremacy a symptom of systemic decline? It's a big question but it's one that Nafeez Ahmed, executive director of System Shift Lab, is happy to answer. He says the "othering" of people or communities can often be the result of crisis or instability -- a clash between world views. The mainstreaming of far-right, xenophobic discourses in the western world and the rise in "illiberal" politics, Nafeez says, have come from the convergence of many global crises, from economic to climate change. System Shift Lab works to bring together top scientists, technologists and business leaders to co-ordinate and share solution strategies for adaptation and evolution.

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