In this episode, Dave interviews Dr. Michael Gillespie about his book 'Distancing - How Great Leaders Reframe to Make Better Decisions', which explores psychological distancing as a tool for better decision-making. They discuss the importance of stepping outside one's own perspective to gain clarity, the different types of distancing (self, time, and space), and practical applications of these techniques. The conversation also touches on the role of journaling, the significance of construal level theory, and how mindfulness can complement these strategies. Ultimately, the discussion emphasizes the need for individuals to pause and reflect in order to make more informed decisions.

Takeaways
	•	Psychological distancing helps individuals see situations more clearly.
	•	Mindfulness is beneficial, but not always sufficient for immediate decision-making.
	•	There are three primary types of distancing: self, time, and space.
	•	Journaling in the third person can enhance self-awareness and clarity.
	•	Construal level theory explains the difference between high-level abstract thinking and low-level concrete thinking.
	•	Taking a pause is crucial in emotionally charged situations.
	•	Practicing distancing techniques can lead to better emotional regulation.
	•	Being a 'fly on the wall' can provide valuable perspective in difficult moments.
	•	It's important to normalize the practice of pausing in group settings.
	•	The ultimate goal is to make better decisions and improve overall well-being.


LINKS

Distancing - How Great Leaders Reframe to Make Better Decisions by L. David Marquet and Michael A. Gillespie https://tinyurl.com/wtadnumb

Contacting Michael Gillespie
University of South Florida: https://tinyurl.com/yds54cbe
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/michael-gillespie-78661a4/

Contacting L. David Marquet
Web: https://davidmarquet.com
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/davidmarquet/
Amazon: https://tinyurl.com/4ezbp4a9

Distancing - How Great Leaders Reframe to Make Better Decisions with Dr. Michael Gillespie

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