Following last week's debate, Squirrel and Jeffrey share their different takes on the value of having estimated a tech team's planned work when it comes to a retrospective at the end of a cycle, like a sprint or a quarter: Jeffrey sees that checking what the team achieved against what they planned can lead to important lessons about dependencies, inefficiencies, and skills gaps, while Squirrel thinks the risk of the estimates "escaping" is too high, and that the team ought to be able to notice process failings as they go without the "crutch" of estimates. 

SHOW LINKS:

- LinkedIn post: https://www.linkedin.com/posts/dsquirrel_my-friends-at-cto-craft-are-45-right-about-activity-6983761206993899522-raHE

- Squirrel Tweet: https://twitter.com/douglassquirrel/status/1578315480472985602

- You’re Not So Smart : https://www.davidmcraney.com/new-page-1

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Estimates: A Productive Argument, Part II

A bit of festive magic for you. 

We have invited Marcin Floyran and Sebastian Lambla back onto the podcast to discuss VeST (Vertical Slice Technologies). They were last on the podcast about two years ago to talk about Agile Anarchy and we asked them back to talk about VeST. So here it is. Aslak is asking the questions. 

This is a great listen for those who are interested in building customer-centric, high-quality software products.


Topics discussed during the podcast include:

 - The core concepts of VeST and its benefits.

 - Why focusing on the customer can be a great first-step for teams steeped in legacy code.

 - Debunking hexagonal architecture and ports and adapters. 

 - The role of traditional testers and mob testing. 

Shownotes

 - Sebastian's blog - https://serialseb.com/serials/vest-redux/

 - Agile Anarchy podcast - https://cucumber.io/blog/2016/02/16/agile-anarchy

 - Kind of Green - Aslak's post about how we are building Cucumber Pro -https://sdjournal.org/bdd-like-jazz/

Shout out the pod on Twitter @cucumberbdd - https://twitter.com/cucumberbdd

VeST - Vertical Slice Technologies

This week, Jeffrey and Squirrel are on the road at CITCON Vienna, interviewing participants about how they use agile techniques and principles outside development.

SHOW LINKS:

-The 12 Agile Principles: http://agilemanifesto.org/principles.html

-CITCON: http://citconf.com/

-London Organisational Learning Meetup: https://www.meetup.com/en-AU/London-Action-Science-Meetup/

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