Show from 6/18/21

From reopening trades and commodity stocks to inflation and low yields, Wharton Finance Professor Jeremy Siegel takes a look at the latest market news. Then, what is the state of geopolitics? Interested in the new biorevolution, innovations transforming economies, societies, and our lives? Host Jeremy Schwartz talks to an expert on geopolitics about advancing genetics technology, the future of food production, the healthcare industry, and more.

Guests:
Jamie Metzl -  leading technology and healthcare futurist, geopolitical expert, novelist, entrepreneur, and media commentator, founder of the global social movement OneShared.World, and an Atlantic Council Senior Fellow and Singularity University faculty member.

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Purchase his newest book "Hacking Darwin: Genetic Engineering and the Future of Humanity": https://www.amazon.com/Hacking-Darwin-Genetic-Engineering-Humanity/dp/1728214130 

Kara Marciscano- Research Analyst at Wisdomtree

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Behind The Markets Podcast: Jamie Metzl

Show from 2/25/22

Wharton Finance Professor Jeremy Siegel and Host Jeremy Schwartz discuss high inflation and the Russia/ Ukraine crisis with President of the Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis James Bullard. They get into Russia’s attack on the Ukraine and the impact this will have on markets, the continued reopening after Omicron, unemployment, housing, and more. James Bullard says he would like to see the Fed policy rate at over 1% and the balance sheet runoff begin in the second quarter by July 1st. Plus a look at the state of cryptocurrency 

Guest:
James Bullard - Chief executive officer and 12th president of the Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis
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Behind the Markets Podcast Special: St. Louis Fed President Jim Bullard

Show from 8/11/23

Prof. Siegel joins Jeremy Schwartz to dissect the current state of the economy. They discuss everything from jobless claims and inflation to the roles of major companies like Tesla and Ford. With an optimistic yet cautious tone, Prof. Siegel offers a glimpse into what the future may hold for the markets. (10:07) Dom Rizzo, a portfolio manager for T Rowe Price, discusses his career and the global technology equity strategy with particular focus on the semiconductor industry. He highlights Nvidia's powerful GPU technology and its linchpin status, predicting the AI chip market's significant growth. The conversation also covers the potential for a second source in the market, such as AMD, and the need for continuous innovation within the semiconductor space. AI is viewed as a major productivity boost, impacting areas like natural language processing and cybersecurity. Large companies with data and distribution are expected to benefit, with AI augmenting tasks rather than replacing them in the short term, offering efficiency gains across various industries.

Guest: Dominic Rizzo is the portfolio manager of the Global Technology Equity Strategy. He is a vice president of T. Rowe Price Group, Inc., and T. Rowe Price International Ltd.

Learn more at: https://www.troweprice.com/financial-intermediary/au/en/bios/dom-rizzo.html

Chris Gannatti is Head of Research at WisdomTree Europe

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Behind the Markets Podcast: Dom Rizzo

Show from 05/24/24

Host Jeremy Schwartz and Professor Siegel discuss the recent positive economic data, including strong durable goods reports, good claims data, and a strong GDP growth rate for the current quarter. Professor Siegel expresses optimism despite some market jitters related to the FOMC minutes and commodity price movements. He highlights how certain economic indicators, such as oil and copper prices, have softened, which may positively impact inflation trends. Siegel also discusses the potential implications of AI advancements, especially in light of NVIDIA’s impressive earnings, and the broader economic context, emphasizing the importance of monitoring future economic data closely. (6:56) Jeremy welcomes guest Daniel Rock, a professor at Wharton and an expert on AI and its economic impacts. They discuss Daniel’s recent AI conference and the cutting-edge research presented there, including the role of AI in enhancing productivity and the transformation of various job sectors. Daniel elaborates on his research findings, indicating that while AI can significantly boost productivity in higher-wage jobs, it also poses challenges in terms of job displacement and economic inequality. The conversation touches on practical AI applications in business, the necessity of training and adaptation for effective AI implementation, and the potential long-term economic benefits and risks associated with widespread AI adoption. Daniel also highlights the importance of interdisciplinary collaboration to fully understand and harness the power of AI in the evolving economic landscape.

Guest: Daniel Rock is an Assistant Professor in the Operations, Information, and Decisions(OID) department at the Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania. He is one of the affiliated faculty members at Wharton AI for Business. Broadly, his research is centered on the economic impact of digital technologies. Daniels' work shows that new digital technologies and intangible assets are an increasingly important component of economic activity. Investment in data assets, machine learning and artificial intelligence, and technological human capital are critical margins for firm competition and social change in this environment. In his research, Daniel measures and explains how some of these trends are evolving. 

Learn more about Daniel at: https://www.danielianrock.com/

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Behind the Markets Podcast: Daniel Rock

Insights from Wharton’s AI Conference

Show from 10/11/24

Host Jeremy Schwartz and Professor Siegel discuss the latest inflation data, particularly focusing on the CPI, PPI, and jobless claims. Professor Siegel expresses mixed reactions, noting improvements in the PPI but concerns about other inflation indicators like car insurance and housing costs. He also mentions the market's resilience and optimism despite weaker data, particularly regarding inflation and jobless claims, and forecasts potential future Fed rate cuts. (9:00) Jeremy is then joined by Anna Rathbun, Chief Investment Officer at CBIZ Investment Advisory Services, who discusses the firm’s broad services and her perspective on economic data, including small business employment and inflation volatility. Rathbun emphasizes the uncertainty of the economic trajectory, explains the firm’s approach to portfolio construction, and shares insights into global markets, highlighting opportunities in India and Japan while cautioning against China. She also offers thoughts on U.S. geopolitical resilience and the potential for recession-driven tax policy shifts.

Guest: Anna is the chief investment officer for CBIZ Investment Advisory Services, LLC (CBIZ IAS), a Registered Investment Advisory firm. Anna is responsible for overseeing the investment activities of CBIZ IAS through the CBIZ national Investment Committee. She helps to set the direction of the firm as a member of the Executive Committee.

Learn more about Anna at: https://www.cbiz.com/about-us/employee-directory/employee-details/anna-j-rathbun

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The Latest Market Pulse and Another Alt Jobs Indicator

Show from 07/03/25

Host Jeremy Schwartz and Professor Siegel break down the latest jobs report, noting that while headline numbers surprised to the upside, underlying data show mixed signals and tame wage growth. The Professor expects no rate changes from the Fed in July and sees continued market optimism supported by stable money supply and upcoming trade deals. (11:16) Jeremy is joined by Sam Rines, Jeff Weniger, and Chris Gannatti for an in-depth discussion on the recent Vietnam trade deal, the stalled Japan negotiations, the AI-driven productivity boom, and shifting market leadership from mega-cap tech to industrials, biotech, and small caps. They also cover the potential impact of AI on employment, trends in nuclear energy and robotics, and the broader bullish momentum across global markets heading into the summer.

Guest: Samuel Rines is a Macro Strategist at WisdomTree, where he extends the firm's custom model portfolio management capabilities. Before joining WisdomTree in 2024, he was the Managing Director at CORBU, LLC, leading the PolyMacro advisory product.

Christopher Gannatti began at WisdomTree as a Research Analyst in December 2010, working directly with Jeremy Schwartz, CFA®, Director of Research. In January of 2014, he was promoted to Associate Director of Research where he was responsible to lead different groups of analysts and strategists within the broader Research team at WisdomTree. In February of 2018, Christopher was promoted to Head of Research, Europe, where he was based out of WisdomTree’s London office and was responsible for the full WisdomTree research effort within the European market, as well as supporting the UCITs platform globally. In November 2021, Christopher was promoted to Global Head of Research, now responsible for numerous communications on investment strategy globally, particularly in the thematic equity space.

Jeff Weniger, CFA serves as Head of Equity Strategy at WisdomTree. In his role, Weniger helps to formulate the firm’s stock market outlook by assessing macro and fundamental trends. Prior to joining WisdomTree, he was Director, Senior Strategist at BMO, where he worked in the office of the CIO from 2006 to 2017. He served on the firm’s Asset Allocation Committee and co-managed the firm’s ETF model portfolios for both the U.S. and Canada. In 2013, at the age of 32, Jeff was chosen as the youngest member of BMO’s Global Investment Forum, which collected the firm’s top global strategists to formulate the firm’s official long-term outlook for investment trends and markets.


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Jobs Report Better than Feared… But is AI Coming for Your Job?

Show from 07/18/25

Host Jeremy Schwartz and Professor Siegel open with a deep dive into the tense dynamics between President Trump and Fed Chair Jerome Powell, with Professor Siegel controversially suggesting Powell should resign to maintain the Fed’s independence. Siegel argues Powell faces only downside if economic conditions worsen, becoming a convenient scapegoat for Trump's economic policies. (23:13) Jeremy and the WisdomTree macro team, including Sam Rines, Jeff Weniger, and Chris Gannatti, then analyze the week's geopolitical developments, the ongoing Russia-Ukraine conflict, European defense spending trends, implications of Trump's tariffs, and recent earnings from key companies like Netflix, Pepsi, Johnson & Johnson, and Nvidia.

Guest: Samuel Rines is a Macro Strategist at WisdomTree, where he extends the firm's custom model portfolio management capabilities. Before joining WisdomTree in 2024, he was the Managing Director at CORBU, LLC, leading the PolyMacro advisory product.

Christopher Gannatti began at WisdomTree as a Research Analyst in December 2010, working directly with Jeremy Schwartz, CFA®, Director of Research. In January of 2014, he was promoted to Associate Director of Research where he was responsible to lead different groups of analysts and strategists within the broader Research team at WisdomTree. In February of 2018, Christopher was promoted to Head of Research, Europe, where he was based out of WisdomTree’s London office and was responsible for the full WisdomTree research effort within the European market, as well as supporting the UCITs platform globally. In November 2021, Christopher was promoted to Global Head of Research, now responsible for numerous communications on investment strategy globally, particularly in the thematic equity space.

Jeff Weniger, CFA serves as Head of Equity Strategy at WisdomTree. In his role, Weniger helps to formulate the firm’s stock market outlook by assessing macro and fundamental trends. Prior to joining WisdomTree, he was Director, Senior Strategist at BMO, where he worked in the office of the CIO from 2006 to 2017. He served on the firm’s Asset Allocation Committee and co-managed the firm’s ETF model portfolios for both the U.S. and Canada. In 2013, at the age of 32, Jeff was chosen as the youngest member of BMO’s Global Investment Forum, which collected the firm’s top global strategists to formulate the firm’s official long-term outlook for investment trends and markets.

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Powell Should Resign to Safeguard Fed Independence

Show from 07/25/25
Host Jeremy Schwartz and Professor Siegel discussed the Japan tariff deal, market optimism surrounding its announcement, and how it contributed to Japan’s stock market breakout. They analyzed the ambiguity of the deal’s financial terms and its potential geopolitical ripple effects. (27:08) Jeremy is joined by WisdomTree’s Ryan Louvar and Dovile Silenskyte for a deep dive into crypto developments. The conversation covers the Genius Act and Clarity Act’s implications for U.S. crypto regulation, the growing U.S. adoption of stablecoins, and the potential impact on blockchain infrastructure. They also explore parallels between the ETF and digital asset ecosystems, stablecoin usage in retail, and evolving European regulatory dynamics.

Guest: Ryan Louvar has over 25 years of legal and business experience with deep expertise in ETFs, digital assets, tokenization, and financial innovation. He currently serves as Chief Legal Officer and Head of Business and Legal Affairs, Digital Assets at WisdomTree, where he oversees legal, risk, and compliance functions and helps drive the firm’s leadership in tokenized real-world assets through its WisdomTree Prime® mobile app and WisdomTree Connect™ web platform.  Mr. Louvar also leads WisdomTree’s regulatory and legislative policy advocacy, supporting its mission to innovate within financial services and asset management.

Dovile Silenskyte is a director of digital assets research at WisdomTree. Before joining WisdomTree in May 2024, Dovile worked as an index equity product strategist at BlackRock. Currently, she is responsible for conducting analyses for in-house digital assets publications and assisting the sales team with client queries about products and markets. Dovile holds an MSc in Finance from Texas A&M University – Commerce, and she is also a chartered financial analyst (CFA).

Ryan Louvar on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ryanlouvar/
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The Genius Act, Leveling Up Earnings

Show from 08/15/25
Host Jeremy Schwartz and Professor Siegel unpacked a busy week of economic news, starting with an analysis of the CPI and PPI data. The Professor highlighted how headline inflation may appear elevated due to one-off components like portfolio management fees but emphasized that key metrics feeding into the Fed’s preferred PCE deflator remained tame. He also reiterated his longstanding view that the Fed should not react to tariff-induced inflation and spotlighted next week's Jackson Hole speech from Jerome Powell as a pivotal moment for monetary policy. (12:17) Jeremy continued the show with Sam Rines and the Wisdom Tree team, exploring the implications of the Trump-Putin summit, the enduring global defense spending cycle, and the long-term impact of defense innovation on technology. They analyzed inflation indicators, alternative shelter metrics, and sector reactions, including defense, AI, housing, and chipmakers. The conversation closed with reflections on earning season surprises, small-cap sensitivity to Fed policy, and geopolitical dynamics shaping tech and energy infrastructure.

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Earnings and Alaska Getting Hot

Show from 08/22/25

Host Jeremy Schwartz and Professor Siegel react to Powell’s dovish shift in tone, with the Professor characterizing it as a clear pivot towards rate cuts. Siegel emphasizes that inflationary pressures driven by tariffs are likely to be treated as one-time increases and ignored by the Fed, while the labor market becomes the primary focus going forward. He outlines a forecast of 75 basis points of cuts by early next year, contingent on labor conditions, and notes that falling long-term yields could significantly ease mortgage rates, supporting continued strength in equities. (28:36) Jeremy continues with Samuel Rines live from Margate, where they examine how corporate earnings, particularly from Walmart and Ross stores, reveal that consumers remain active despite rising prices. However, they caution that tariff impacts are starting to show up in margins, especially for small caps, which have already been under pressure from high interest rates. The conversation turns to sector positioning, including renewed strength in defense stocks amid European geopolitical developments, and optimism around Japan’s equity markets driven by favorable global policies and undervaluation. They also discuss the role of government involvement in strategic industries like semiconductors, the equity premium in Japan versus the U.S., and how policy changes are reshaping investment flows. Sam concludes that managing margins, not revenues, will be the critical driver of equity performance over the next 6 to 12 months, especially as companies navigate cost pressures without triggering political backlash.

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Surviving the Storm

Show from 08/29/25

Host Jeremy Schwartz and Professor Siegel discuss the PCE inflation data coming in exactly as expected, a surprising widening in the July trade deficit, and the implications of upcoming employment data on the Fed's decision-making. The Prof suggests a 25 basis point cut is likely unless job numbers are unexpectedly weak. (14:22) Jeremy is joined by Sean Avory, CIO of Avory Co, who shares his constructive view on markets, discusses opportunities in small and mid-cap equities, and outlines his firm's high-conviction investment strategies across public and private markets. The conversation highlights themes such as AI infrastructure, data-driven investing, and identity verification as a key growth sector. Sean also offers insight on valuation dislocations caused by passive investing trends and the role active ETFs may play going forward.

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High Conviction Ideas

Show from 09/01/25

Host Jeremy Schwartz travels across Indiana with Brandon Zick, CIO of Ceres Partners, as they explore farmland investments following WisdomTree’s acquisition announcement of Ceres. Brandon and Jeremy dive into the fundamentals of farmland investing, including its inflation-hedging characteristics, active property sourcing strategies, and the portfolio's strong historical returns. They also discuss the optionality in farmland from uses like solar, wind, and data centers, the role of dairy and biodiesel, and the impact of tariffs, labor dynamics, and energy policies on farm operations and profitability.

Guest: Brandon Zick is responsible for managing all investments at Ceres Partners, including Ceres Farms flagship farmland fund and Ceres Food & Agriculture private equity strategies. In this role he supervises valuation analysis, acquisition/investment due diligence, portfolio and tenant management, and acquisition negotiations and execution. Prior to joining Ceres in 2010, Mr. Zick served as Vice President of Strategic Acquisitions at Morgan Stanley Investment Management where he performed due diligence, valuation analysis, deal negotiation and execution of strategic business transactions. Previously, he worked as a senior associate of investor relations at Morgan Stanley, and Brandon began his career as a finance associate at Lehman Brothers.Brandon currently serves on the Federal Reserve Bank of Chicago Advisory Council and the Small Business, Agriculture & Labor sub-council. Mr. Zick is a graduate of the University of Notre Dame with a B.B.A. in finance and a Japanese concentration and is a Chartered Alternative Investment Analyst. Mr. Zick grew up on a family dairy and crop farm in Northeastern Pennsylvania.

Brandon Zick: https://www.linkedin.com/in/brandon-zick-394a5310
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Harvesting Alpha from Dirt: From Cornfields to Data Centers

Show from 09/05/25

Host Jeremy Schwartz and Professor Siegel discuss the latest job report, which showed weaker-than-expected numbers, particularly in manufacturing and healthcare. The Professor highlights that while the household survey showed a gain, it's too volatile to weigh heavily. He emphasizes that the labor market is softening, which aligns with the bond market's pricing-in of rate cuts at upcoming Fed meetings. Siegel also notes productivity data remains unimpressive despite a recent bounce and reiterates his belief that equity markets remain in a bull phase, supported by anticipated rate cuts and broader AI optimism. (11:51) Jeremy is then joined by Sam Rines and Jeff Weniger, who analyze consumer behavior through companies like Costco and Lululemon, noting that middle- and upper-income consumers remain resilient. They dive into the struggles of traditional staples like Kraft-Heinz and Pepsi, which are facing breakup speculation and activist investor pressure, while also discussing historical examples of value creation through corporate spin-offs. The conversation expands to gold and gold miners, which are benefiting from central bank buying, falling interest rates, and improved operational efficiencies. In the second half of the episode, Blake Heimann and Chris Gannatti join to unpack insights from a tech conference, highlighting AI infrastructure trends, chip supply dynamics, and the rising relevance of companies like NVIDIA, Broadcom, and SoftBank. They also explore pressures in the software sector from private competitors and ongoing leadership transitions. The group discusses how firms are building agentic AI workflows atop specialized datasets, creating opportunities and risks as Big Tech integrates AI across platforms. The show closes with a detailed conversation on AI compute economics, GPU payback cycles, and the sustainability of massive CapEx spending in AI infrastructure.

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Will AI Peak Eventually Rival 2000 Bubble Levels?

Show from 09/12/25

Host Jeremy Schwartz and Professor Siegel analyze the recent inflation data, highlighting the implications for next week’s pivotal Fed meeting. The Professor suggests a 25-basis-point rate cut is likely, but notes that a weak retail sales report could justify a 50-basis-point move. He emphasizes the importance of the September dot plot in gauging Fed sentiment and explores the limited current impact of tariffs on inflation metrics, despite market anticipation. Siegel also points to diverging signals in the CPI and PPI reports and the potential for dissenting votes within the Fed as signs of growing internal debate. (9:28) Jeremy is joined by Sam Rines, Jeff Weniger, and Chris Gannatti for a dynamic discussion covering Fed expectations, political volatility, and macroeconomic developments. The team examines Oracle’s massive AI-linked bookings and its potential to reshape the software sector, discusses how manufacturers are navigating tariffs with pricing power, and reflects on potential Supreme Court developments that could spark a surprise fiscal stimulus. They dive into early innings of AI adoption, exploring how government policy, private innovation, and breakthroughs in biotech and quantum computing may drive future productivity. The group discusses European defense spending as a de-risked investment theme and the rising significance of Asian defense budgets, particularly in Japan, India, and South Korea. They close with commentary on under-owned trades like gold and Japanese equities, the challenge of disrupting entrenched players in healthcare, and optimism around innovation driving long-term growth despite short-term valuation concerns.

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Going All In

Show from 09/19/25

Host Jeremy Schwartz is joined live from Mallorca by Pierre Debru, Head of Research at WisdomTree Europe, to explore shifting investor sentiment across the continent. Pierre discusses how European investors are reallocating away from the US and toward domestic equities and thematics like defense, nuclear, and rare earths, fueled in part by a weaker dollar. He outlines the renewed interest in defense investing spurred by NATO's 5% GDP spending target, as well as the long-term outlook for Europe’s political and fiscal stability across markets like Greece, Poland, and Italy. The conversation covers capital efficiency, the need for diversification through gold and crypto, and the rise of thematic exposure to quantum computing and AI-related infrastructure. (30:17) Professor Siegel and Kevin Flanagan join to analyze the Fed’s latest 25 basis point rate cut. Professor Siegel emphasizes the strength of the consumer, upward revisions to GDP forecasts, and unity within the Fed despite differing views reflected in the dot plots. He critiques the current path of policy, pointing to lingering inflation concerns from tariffs and the need for further rate cuts amid signs of softening in the labor market. Siegel also discusses falling mortgage premiums, the resilience of housing and business investment, and how investment incentives and AI are likely to benefit small-cap firms over time.

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Market Rotation Meets Fed Rate Cuts

Show from 09/26/25

Jeremy Schwartz and Professor Siegel review the week’s key economic developments, focusing first on inflation metrics with the PCE deflator and personal income/spending data matching expectations. Professor Siegel emphasizes the significance of stronger-than-expected durable goods orders and a narrowed trade deficit, which have led to upgraded Q3 GDP forecasts from major banks. He also comments on recent remarks from Fed Governor Myron regarding a lower neutral interest rate, citing demographic trends and productivity considerations. The Professor maintains a cautious outlook on the potential impact of tariffs, especially heading into the critical holiday season, and flags the upcoming government shutdown as a potential disruptor to next week’s jobs report. They’re joined by Chris Gannatti, Jeff Weniger, and Sam Rines for a robust discussion that spans trade, technology, and market positioning. They unpack new proposed tariffs from the Trump campaign, assess the durability of corporate strategies for mitigating trade friction, and analyze the AI infrastructure boom—highlighting NVIDIA, OpenAI, and hyperscaler investment cycles. The team debates whether current AI valuations are sustainable, comparing them to past tech cycles, and explore quantum computing as an emerging, though still speculative, theme. The conversation turns to government industrial policy and its role in revitalizing domestic semiconductor manufacturing, particularly around Intel. Finally, they discuss overlooked opportunities in small and mid-cap U.S. equities, noting how rate cuts and strong consumer data, like Costco’s same-store sales, could fuel upside for cyclicals heading into year-end.

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Chirping about Valuations

Show from 10/03/25

Host Jeremy Schwartz and Professor Siegel discuss the latest market conditions, highlighting the weakness in the ADP jobs report, stable jobless claims, and a slight decline in consumer confidence. Professor Siegel emphasizes that while the economic data points to some softening, there is no indication of a sharp downturn. He points to this quarter as a critical test for consumer spending amid new tariffs and holiday pressures, observing that inflation in housing and rents remains muted. Siegel also discusses monetary policy and comments on the growing importance of AI, the performance of major tech stocks like Tesla, and the continued divergence between large-cap growth and value stocks. Jeremy continues the show with WisdomTree colleagues Chris Gannatti, Sam Rines, and Jeff Weniger, with Chris diving into recent insights from top voices in the semiconductor and AI space, noting the massive CapEx going into data centers and compute infrastructure. Sam expands on the potential productivity boost from AI agents and the broader ecosystem investments benefiting industrials like Caterpillar. Jeff provides a macro take on central bank policy, expressing skepticism about the timing of rate cuts amid rising equity and commodity markets, and debates the real impact of tariffs.

(32:12) In the second half, Jeremy presents a special segment recorded live from the Jacobs-Levy Quant Conference with Professor Bob Korajczyk of Northwestern University. Korajczyk shares research on intangible assets and their role in asset pricing, detailing how adjusted earnings that account for R&D and SG&A provide a more predictive measure of long-term profitability. He explains how this adjustment enhances factor models, offers downside protection characteristics, and discusses implications for accounting standards, portfolio construction, and international investing.

Guest: Robert A. Korajczyk is Senior Associate Dean, Faculty and Research and the Harry G. Guthmann Professor of Finance and co-director of the Center for Financial Institutions and Markets. At Kellogg, Korajczyk has previously served as Senior Associate Dean: Curriculum and Teaching, Chair of the Department of Finance, Director of Graduate Studies for the Department of Finance, and Director of the Zell Center for Risk Research. He has held visiting faculty appointments at the University of Chicago, the Vienna University of Economics and Business, the University of Melbourne, the University of Vienna, and the Hong Kong University of Science and Technology. Professor Korajczyk received his BA, MBA, and PhD degrees from the University of Chicago.

Robert on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/robert-korajczyk-b1565714/

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Focusing on Intangibles

Show from 10/10/25

Host Jeremy Schwartz and Professor Siegel discuss the market’s resilience amid a continued government shutdown, emphasizing the positive momentum driven by AI and the broader economic environment. Professor Siegel warns about the potential for negative consumer sentiment if the shutdown lingers and points to recent data and global central bank comparisons to support the case for U.S. rate cuts. He also addresses the state of private credit markets, gold and bitcoin trends, and implications of current tariff levels, while noting AI remains a strong market driver. (13:55) Jeremy continues the conversation with Jeff Weniger and Sam Rines before welcoming guest Jim Bianco. Sam shares insights from a recent trip to Mexico, noting optimism from local investors and a surprising lack of concern about U.S. tariffs. He also discusses geopolitical tensions and Chinese EV penetration in Mexico. Jeff offers analysis of stress in private credit markets, highlighting the case of First Brands and broader implications for underwriting standards. The episode then transitions to an in-depth discussion with Jim Bianco, who outlines how a stalled flow of immigration could be reshaping the labor market and the Fed's rate path. He explores how AI is already influencing GDP through data center and energy build-outs, compares its trajectory to the internet’s evolution, and discusses long-term inflation expectations shaped by remote work and global segmentation. Jim also reflects on Fed governance and independence, challenges in interpreting the yield curve, and his fixed income index strategy that leverages ETFs to express macro views. He closes by reaffirming his “4-5-6” return framework and how AI-driven equity gains are masking broader market underperformance.

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Talking Markets with Jim Bianco and WT Team

Show from 10/17/25

Host Jeremy Schwartz and Professor Siegel discussed recent signs of credit stress and how markets are reacting to pressures in private credit. Professor Siegel emphasized that while some private credit deals may go bad, there is no broader systemic risk, citing strong earnings from major banks as evidence. He maintained that the bull market remains intact and projected a 25-basis point Fed rate cut as a near certainty, while dismissing Bitcoin’s current performance as a failure in short-term diversification. He also commented on geopolitical developments, inflation data delays, and anticipated gold’s continued rise amid growing interest in blockchain-based assets. (12:06) Jeremy continues the conversation with Sam Rines, Jeff Weniger, and Chris Gannatti, beginning with takeaways from strong earnings by American Express and Snap-On, signaling ongoing strength in consumer and industrial spending. The group discusses stress in regional banks and private equity, rising investor focus on gold as part of a “60/20/20” portfolio, and narratives surrounding currency debasement. Chris dives into developments in autonomous vehicles, with Waymo’s expansion into London and Houston, and provides updates on OpenAI’s monetization and user growth strategies, suggesting it may evolve into a “super app.”

They also explore international themes, including Japanese market opportunities tied to political shifts and valuation gaps, with Sam and Jeremy highlighting investor apathy and potential upside. Jeff discusses the divergence between surging precious metals and falling oil prices, raising questions about the macroeconomic outlook and its implications for Fed rate cuts. Sam adds that U.S.-China trade talks are likely to yield minor but positive outcomes, such as soybean purchases, which could help stabilize markets. The show closes with Jeff contrasting consumer spending forecasts from MasterCard and Deloitte, raising skepticism about survey-based holiday retail projections. Chris and Sam then reflect on investor behavior, particularly among younger generations holding excessive cash allocations. Finally, the team touches on biotech and quantum computing, emphasizing the long timelines and high uncertainty around commercializing innovations in these sectors, despite strong investor interest.

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Cockroaches Contained?

Are We Too Optimistic?

Show from 10/31/25

Jeremy is joined by Sam Rines, Jeff Weniger, and Chris Gannatti, who analyze big tech earnings from Amazon, Meta, and others, emphasizing the early stages of the AI investment boom. The group discusses the infrastructure demands of data centers, energy policy challenges, and geopolitical developments following Trump’s Asia tour. They close by exploring how companies beyond tech are benefiting from AI, implications of potential government shutdowns, and the resilience of consumer spending ahead of the holidays. (31:34) Jeremy continues with  Professor Siegel who discusses the Fed’s unclear stance on rate cuts, with Siegel noting stronger-than-expected economic data and robust market performance. They analyze Powell’s cautious comments and anticipate the importance of upcoming holiday spending data, while also touching on market resilience, QT ending, and how the current environment differs from past bubbles

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Partying like it's Nineteen Ninety... 6-7!

Show from 11/07/25

Host Jeremy Schwartz and Professor Siegel discuss conflicting jobs data amid the government shutdown, political fallout from the recent elections, and the implications of potential Supreme Court rulings on tariffs. The Professor warns about the possible economic drag from the shutdown during the holiday season and offers his market perspective, noting AI investment strength and skepticism around market bubble fears. (15:00) Jeremy continues with guests Jeff Weniger, Chris Gannatti, and Sam Rines to unpack the Supreme Court's tariff case, recent AI market volatility, and the implications of energy constraints on future data center development. They explore earnings season surprises, Japan's market volatility tied to SoftBank, and Warren Buffett's continued investment activity. The conversation closes with in-depth views on India's economic trajectory, gambling markets' impact on traditional betting operators, and the risks and hype cycles in crypto and equity speculation.

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Bear Headfakes Around the World

Show from 11/14/25

Host Jeremy Schwartz and Professor Siegel discuss the market reaction to the government shutdown, the Fed's hawkish stance, and AI-driven market surges. The Professor critiques the Fed’s focus on inflation drivers like insurance rates, revisits debates on equity-risk premiums at a recent CFA Society event, and addresses the long-term outlook for stocks versus bonds. (15:18) Jeremy is joined by Jeff, Chris, and Sam for a wide-ranging discussion on the AI-driven tech buildout and compute shortages, including concerns about capital expenditure sustainability. They explore new affordability strategies like the proposed 50-year mortgage, assess policy developments from the Trump administration, and evaluate international market dynamics between China and India. The episode closes with insights on quality factor rotation and concerns around the sustainability of current tech valuations.

WisdomTree: https://www.wisdomtree.com/investments

Requiem for Momentum

Show from 11/21/25

Host Jeremy Schwartz and Professor Siegel unpack the week's key market themes, focusing on Nvidia’s earnings volatility, jobless claims trends, and potential monetary policy shifts. The Professor highlights creeping continuing claims, waning private credit enthusiasm, and questions surrounding AI investment’s return on capital. (16:07) Jeremy continues with Sam and Jeff to assess Nvidia’s post-earnings dip, Google's AI strides with Gemini 3, and shifting tech leadership. The group explores value stocks’ evolving makeup, consumer strength as seen in Walmart's earnings, and potential geopolitical shifts in Venezuela’s oil market. They wrap with views on holiday spending, U.S. housing dynamics, and retail sector resilience.

WisdomTree: https://www.wisdomtree.com/investments

A Healthy Uncertainty and Volatility Spike

Show from 11/28/25

Host Jeremy Schwartz and Professor Siegel opened this week’s episode reflecting on the changing nature of Black Friday, ongoing consumer strength, and the outlook for interest rate cuts amid mixed economic data. The Professor discussed Kevin Hassett’s emergence as a top Fed Chair candidate, tech sector volatility, and competition in the AI space. (10:39) Jeremy continues with Sam Rines and Chris Gannatti for a special Thanksgiving episode, joined by their children to explore youth shopping trends. The group covers holiday consumer behavior, competition among AI models and chipmakers, and potential market overreactions to recent shifts in sentiment. They also discuss the implications of energy inventory dynamics and underappreciated tech plays like Amazon and Apple, rounding out with a preview of AI’s future impact on education, investing, and consumer preferences.

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Emma Shine Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@EmmaShine-singg/shorts
WisdomTree: https://www.wisdomtree.com/investments

Now or Never: A Family Special Episode!

Show from 12/05/25

Host Jeremy Schwartz and Professor Siegel opened this week’s episode reflecting on the changing nature of Black Friday, ongoing consumer strength, and the outlook for interest rate cuts amid mixed economic data. The Professor discussed Kevin Hassett’s emergence as a top Fed Chair candidate, tech sector volatility, and competition in the AI space. (10:39) Jeremy continues with Sam Rines and Chris Gannatti for a special Thanksgiving episode, joined by their children to explore youth shopping trends. The group covers holiday consumer behavior, competition among AI models and chipmakers, and potential market overreactions to recent shifts in sentiment. They also discuss the implications of energy inventory dynamics and underappreciated tech plays like Amazon and Apple, rounding out with a preview of AI’s future impact on education, investing, and consumer preferences.

Dovile Silenskyte, CFA Director, Digital Assets Research at WisdomTree: https://www.linkedin.com/in/dovilesilenskyte
WisdomTree: https://www.wisdomtree.com/investments

Live From London with Latest in Crypto

Show from 12/12/25

Host Jeremy Schwartz and Professor Siegel reflect on the Fed's latest meeting and its dovish tone, noting signs of a market rotation beyond the "Magnificent Seven" stocks. Professor Siegel highlighted potential market risks from a Supreme Court tariff ruling and a possible government shutdown, while remaining optimistic on inflation and economic momentum heading into 2026. (11:20) Jeremy continues with Chris Gannatti and Sam Rines, exploring AI’s evolving role in corporate strategy and earnings. The conversation covers OpenAI's latest model, Oracle's bid to join hyperscalers, and potential oil market shifts tied to Venezuela. They also analyze consumer strength through earnings from firms like Costco and Lululemon, and discuss how software companies must adapt or risk obsolescence in the AI age.

WisdomTree: https://www.wisdomtree.com/investments/

A Dovish Fed Brings Signs of Market Rotation

Show from 12/19/25

Host Jeremy Schwartz and Professor Siegel discuss the final CPI report of the year and the broader inflation outlook. The Prof notes that shelter components are finally weighing on inflation, and expects a continued downward trend into 2026. He sees room for the Fed to cut rates if the economy weakens, and believes markets are well-positioned heading into the new year. (09:03) Jeremy continues with guest Andreas Kern, founder of Wikifolio, to explore how German retail investors are positioning for 2026. Andreas shares data on shifting equity allocations, including a strong tilt toward industrials, basic materials, and value strategies. The conversation covers defense spending, AI narratives, Tesla, underrepresentation of equities in German portfolios, and sentiment around crypto and gold. Jeremy and the panel also weigh in on market rotation, yield curves, and long-term inflation expectations, offering a global perspective on evolving market themes.
 
Wikifolio: https://www.wikifolio.com/en/int/home

Andreas Kern: https://www.linkedin.com/in/andreas-kern-905214/?originalSubdomain=at

For more information on the index Jim Bianco discussed: https://www.biancoadvisors.com/index-updates/

WisdomTree: https://www.wisdomtree.com/investments

The EBB and Flow: An Equity Bond Barbell Outlook for '26

Show from 02/01/26

Host Jeremy Schwartz and Professor Siegel discuss the strong start to 2026, noting positive holiday spending, a dip in jobless claims, and the potential for a 3% Q4 GDP growth. Professor Siegel outlines three key market events to watch in January: the risk of a government shutdown, the Supreme Court’s decision on tariffs, and the selection of the new Fed chair. (12:34) Jeremy continues with guests Sam Rines and Jeff Weniger, who delve into geopolitical tensions impacting oil markets, the Fed’s potential policy direction, and the outlook for global equity markets. The group discusses AI competition between China and the U.S., emerging strength in Japan and India, and the implications of upcoming IPOs like SpaceX and OpenAI. They also touch on commodity allocations, shifts in value and growth indices, and how holiday spending reflects broader economic resilience.

WisdomTree: https://www.wisdomtree.com/investments

The Value Trades for 2026

Show from 4/26/19

In this episode our hosts Jeremy Schwartz and Liqian Ren start off the show talking to the Executive Vice President and Director of Equity Strategies at Cumberland Advisors about European markets, sector investing, South Africa, market momentum, and much more. Then they bring on economist and author of the new book "An Economist Walks Into a Brothel: And Other Unexpected Places to Understand Risk." She gets into retirement, managing risk, and trading bonds. 


Guests:
Matt McAleer- Executive Vice President and Director of Equity Strategies at Cumberland Advisors.
Follow Cumberland Advisors on Twitter: @CumberlandADV

Allison Schrager - An economist who is co-founder of the risk advisory firm LifeCycle Finance Partners, LLC and a journalist at Quartz. She’s also the author of a great new book called AN ECONOMIST WALKS INTO A BROTHEL: And Other Unexpected Places to Understand Risk.
Follow Allison on Twitter: @AllisonSchrager
More on Allison & her book here: https://www.allisonschrager.com/

Behind The Markets Podcast: Matt McAleer & Allison Schrager

Show from 12/6/19

In this episode of Behind the Markets Jeremy Schwartz and Jeremy Siegel interview their guest about the state of global markets and interest rates. They discuss the impact of economic divergences, trade wars, Brexit, and ECB negative rates on markets. Why is the interest rate equilibrium lower than it used to be? How can a country spur long term economic growth via interest rates? They will answer these questions and more.

Guest:
Mohamed El-Erian - Chief Economic Advisor at Allianz, Senior Global Fellow at the Joseph A Lauder Institute at the Wharton School, and a part time professor at the University of Pennsylvania 

Find out more about him here: https://www.mohamedel-erian.com/
Twitter: @elerianm
For mor information on Allianz visit their website: https://www.allianz.com/en.html

Behind the Markets Podcast: Mohamed El-Erian

Jeremy Schwartz, Global Chief Investment Officer at WisdomTree and Jeremy Siegel, professor of finance at Wharton and author of Stocks for the Long Run, host this long-running podcast that dives into the how and why of market performance with leading economists and market strategists to inform you what’s ahead for the economy and your portfolio.
Regularly joining the two Jeremys is the Deep Rooted Macro Team that decodes the forces shaping markets and portfolios worldwide.
Chris Gannatti, CFA, Global Head of Research, offers an analytical and thematic edge—bridging macro trends with on-the-ground technology and innovation. Whether unpacking the infrastructure powering the AI age or latest biotech breakthroughs, Chris translates complexity into conviction.
Jeff Weniger, CFA, Head of Equity Strategy, injects the pulse of behavioral markets and valuation discipline. With sharp macro instincts, Jeff dissects cycles, sentiment, and structural change with trademark clarity and wit.
Sam Rines, Macro Strategist for Model Portfolios, ties the threads together—linking policy, politics, and portfolio construction. His pragmatic macro lens captures how geopolitics, industrial policy, and energy dynamics flow into real-world GeoAlpha.
Together, the Deep Rooted Macro squad creates a fusion of rigorous research, accessible insights, and genuine debate.
Behind the Markets provides a regular masterclass in how the world really works beneath the surface of prices, data, and headlines. Tune in to hear where the Deep Rooted Macro team sees the next big shifts taking root.

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