Shaking the Global Order in the Age of Trump Podcast Series

In this podcast, we engage Harvard’s Joseph Nye Jr. in a wide-ranging conversation about cyber security. Joe has been at the forefront of the examination of critical issues in international relations. Recently, he has turned his attention to the impact of cyber security, cyber espionage and cyber warfare on international relations. Cyber has emerged as a critical feature of conflict in today’s international relations and the relationship of great powers including the United States, China and Russia.  For further analysis of the cyber world see Trey Herr’s article here at Global Summitry called, “Governing Proliferation in Cybersecurity”. [Caroline can you add a url] Professor Nye is a Harvard University Service Professor, Emeritus and the former Dean of the Kennedy School.  He has also served in various security positions in the American government. International relations scholars are well aware of his significant work in international relations including his examination of complex interdependence with Robert Keohane and Joe’s illumination of the concept of ‘soft power’ in international relations.

Shaking the Global Order, Ep. 14: Joseph Nye Jr. on Conflict in the Cyber World

Joined by Steven Bernstein and Matthew Hoffmann.

Shaking the Global Order, Ep. 15: Bernstein & Hoffmann on Climate Change Post-Paris Accord

In this podcast Kori Schake tackles the main elements of the Trump Administration foreign and security policy. With Kori at the helm, we explore Trump’s policies in trade, the Korean peninsula, Iran and generally America’s leadership role – with allies and adversaries – in the liberal international order. Kori has operated close-in to U.S. military and security affairs with stints at the Defense Department, the National Security Council and the State Department during the first term of George W. Bush. She was as well a senior policy advisor to the McCain-Palin campaign in the 2008 Presidential election. Kori has also written insightfully on the US military, in fact with the current Secretary of Defense, Jim Mattis. The book: Warriors and Citizens: American Views of Our Militaryand she is just releasing her latest, Safe Passage; The Transition from British to American Hegemony.

Shaking the Global Order, Ep. 16: Kori Schake on US Policies in Trade, Korea, and Iran

In this podcast, Matthew Goodman, gives us a tour de force of Trump policy in Asia and the ‘big question’ what will be the consequences for the liberal international order of a Trump administration.  Matthew is currently the William E Simon Chair in Political Economy and the Senior Adviser for Economics at CSIS, the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington. Matthew has served in both the private sector at Goldman Sachs and Albright Stonebridge Group and has also held a number of significant roles in the public sector including early in his career as an international economist at the U.S. Treasury Department and at the Tokyo Embassy.  Subsequently, he was director of international economics on the National Security Council staff responsible for the G20 and, the then G8, and then former White House Coordinator for the Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation (APEC) and the East Asia Summit (EAS).  Matthew and I explore the consequences of Trump’s policy actions especially in Asia focusing on Trump’s meetings with key leaders in Japan, Korea and China and at the multilateral meetings, APEC and ASEAN. Listen to Matthew’s views of the ‘America First’ policy in Asia.

Shaking the Global Order, Ep. 17: Matthew Goodman on Trump's 'America First' Policy in Asia

In this podcast Peter Feaver examines closely the Trump Administration’s first National Security Strategy or NSS.  What does the NSS tell us, and not tell us about the Trump Administration’s foreign and security policy. Additionally, we have the opportunity to question Peter on Trump trade policy, his policy toward the Korean Peninsula and Iran and more generally Trump’s policies towards allies and adversaries. Peter is a professor of political science and public policy at Duke University.  He is the Director there of the Triangle Institute for Security Studies and also Director of the Duke Program in American Grand Strategy. In 2005 to 2007 served as Special Advisor for Strategic Planning and Institutional Reform at the NSC. Peter has written extensively on civil-military relations, nuclear weapons and nuclear strategy.  It is a close examination of Trump foreign policy.

Shaking the Global Order, Ep. 18: Peter Feaver on Trump's National Security Strategy

This podcast with Stewart Patrick was done while Stewart was visiting us here at the Munk School of Global Affairs to talk to about his new book, Sovereignty Wars: Reconciling America with the World. In the ‘plush’ podcast studio, Stewart and I sat down to explore what the book tells us about American foreign policy and the impact of Donald Trump on American international behavior. In addition, we explore with Stewart the consequences of a Trump ‘America First’ foreign policy for America’s role in the eight summits that are scheduled for this coming year.  Are we likely to see the kind of hectoring that Donald Trump exhibited in the NATO Summit last year? Or, will President Trump exhibit more collaborative behavior? We explore whether the United States is likely to remain the ‘odd man out’ in the two major Informal summits - the G7 taking place in Canada, hosted by Canada’s Prime Minister, Justin Trudeau in the spring, and the G20 that will gather in Buenos Aires in the late fall hosted by Mauricio Macri, President of Argentina. What impact is President Trump likely to have on global governance and the liberal international order that the United States has led through the decades since World War II. 

Stewart is the James H Binger Senior Fellow in Global Governance at the Council of Foreign Relations in Washington. Stewart is also the director of the International Institutions and Global Governance Program at CFR and Stewart writes the blog “The Internationalist” at the CFR website.

Shaking the Global Order, Ep. 19: Stewart Patrick on Trump's 'America First' Foreign Policy

The liberal international order is showing increased strain as President Trump continues to conduct U.S. foreign policy. So, much has been happening recently: the chaos of the G7 Charlevoix gathering with President Trump withdrawing the U.S. signature from the summit communiqué. The on-again off-again summit between North Korea’s Kim Jung Un and President Trump took place on June 12th leaving most grasping to understand what the two leaders had in fact agreed to at the Singapore summit. These and other actions formed the core of the podcast discussion with Bruce Jones.

Bruce is the Vice President and Director – Foreign Policy at the Brookings Institution as well as being a Senior Fellow in the Project on International Order and Strategy at Brookings. Bruce wrote an insightful book on the changing liberal order – “Ours to Lead: America, Rising Powers, and the Tension between Rivalry and Restraint” in 2014 and with Carlos Pascual and Steve Stedman in 2009 he co-authored “Power and Responsibility: Building Order in an Era of Transnational Threats”. 

Jones has had extensive experience and expertise on intervention and crisis management. He served in the United Nations' operation in Kosovo and was special assistant to the U.N. special coordinator for the Middle East peace process. Jones also has significant experience on multilateral institutions. He was a senior advisor to Kofi Annan on U.N. reform and served as deputy research director to the U.N.'s High-level Panel on Threats, Challenges and Change, as well as lead scholar for the International Task Force on Global Public Goods.

Come join Bruce and I in our discussion on ‘Shaking the Global Order'.

Shaking the Global Order, Ep. 20:  Bruce Jones on N. Korea-US Summit Relations

The strains on the Liberal International Order continue apace. The antagonism between President Trump and allied leaders were on full display at the recent G7 Charlevoix meeting.  Though the leaders had reached consensus on the Communique, Trump subsequently withdrew the U.S. endorsement and tweeted that Prime Minister Trudeau, the host of this year’s G7 was “Very dishonest & weak.” Now the allies are meeting at the NATO Summit on July 11-12, 2018 where President Trump is likely to press his view that the allies are failing to live up to the spending commitments.  Meanwhile, President Trump continues his summit dialogues with rivals. First there was the recent ‘sunny’ Singapore Summit with Chairman Kim Jung Un of the DPRK. And, President Trump is scheduled to meet with President Vladimir Putin of Russia on July 16th. 

With all these summits as background, I sat down with Bruce Jentleson to explore Trump’s foreign policy and its consequences for the Liberal Order.  Bruce is a very well-known Professor of Public Policy at Duke University where he served as Director of the now Sanford School at Duke (2000-2005).  He also served as the Henry Kissinger Chair on Foreign Policy and International Relations (2015-2016) at the Library of Congress. And he has advised officials in Washington including senior foreign policy advisor to Vice President Al Gore. 

I was particularly interested in sitting down with Bruce for this podcast to review with him a recent article he had written for the journal Democracy called ‘The Liberal Order is Not Coming Back: What Next?’ and for the conclusions he had reached in his examination of key international relations’ actors in his recently released book The Peace Makers: Leadership Lessons from 20th Century Statesmen’.

Shaking the Global Order, Ep. 21: Bruce Jentleson on Trump vs. the Liberal Order

The turbulence in the liberal international order continues. And we are pleased to bring a new episode, Ep. 22 of the series, ‘Shaking the Global Order: American Foreign Policy in the Age of Trump’. We were pleased to sit down with James Goldgeier to examine in this latest podcast American foreign policy and the impact of President Trump.
 
James is a Professor of International relations at the School of International Service at American University. James served as Dean there from 2011 to 2017. James is currently a Visiting Senior Fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations and at the Library of Congress he is currently the Chair in U.S.-Russia Relations. 

James has written a number of studies including: America Between the Wars: from 111/9 to 9/11 co-authored with Derek Chollet; Power and Purpose: U.S. Policy toward Russia after the Cold War co-authored with Michael McFaul; and also And not Whether but When: The U.S. Decision to Enlarge NATO.

Come join us in this next podcast in the series.

Shaking the Global Order, Ep. 22: James Goldgeier on American Foreign Policy and Trump

Stephen Walt has just published, The Hell of Good Intentions: America’s Foreign Policy Elite and the Decline of U.S. Primacy (see NYTimes Review). It seemed like the appropriate moment to interview Stephen. This new book by Stephen ranges broadly across American foreign policy.  Stephen provides a strong critique of U.S. foreign policy and the effort by what Stephen refers to as the ‘foreign policy community’ to maintain a policy of ‘liberal hegemony’.  Stephen heavily criticizes the foreign policy elite for maintaining this policy in the face of very serious failures including in Afghanistan and in Iraq. The interview also explores the Realist approach favored by Stephen in his views of ‘Offshore Balancing’.

Stephen holds the Robert and Renee Belfer Professorship in International Affairs in the Kennedy School of Government at Harvard University.  Stephen was previously the Academic Dean at the Kennedy School. Stephen has written a number of notable books on U.S. foreign policy including: The Origins of Alliances, Revolution and War and Taming American Power.  More controversially, Stephen wrote with John Mearsheimer of the University of Chicago, the article, “The Israel Lobby”.

Shaking the Global Order, Ep. 23: Stephen Walt on a Realist American Foreign Policy

Recently, the City of Toronto was ‘ground zero’ for the 60th anniversary meeting of the International Studies Association (ISA). Thousands of colleagues gathered in Toronto to attend, roundtables, panels, and participate in presenting papers and receiving honors for their work on international relations. The occasion was far too ‘juicy’ to just let it pass. So, I gathered up some of my good friends to talk about the Liberal Order.  

This podcast includes some of my colleagues from abroad. The gathering at our ‘studio’ - actually the lounge on the second floor of the Munk School of Global Affairs & Public Policy – included: Bruce Jentleson from Duke University, Kori Schake from the IISS in London, Arthur Stein from UCLA and Yves Tiberghien from the University of British Columbia or UBC.

Briefly, Bruce is a professor of public policy and political science at Duke University.  His most recent work is ‘The Peacemakers: Leadership Lessons from Twentieth Century Statesmanship’. Kori is currently the Deputy-Director General of the International Institute of Strategic Studies.  Before her move to London, Kori was a research fellow at Stanford’s Hoover Institution. She wrote ‘Warriors and Citizens’ with now former Secretary of Defense, James Mattis and her most recent publication is ‘America vs the West: Can the Liberal World Order be Preserved’. Arthur is a professor of political science at the University of California at Los Angeles and his most well-known publication is, ‘Why Nations Cooperate’. Yves Tiberghien is a professor of political science at UBC, director emeritus of the Institute of Asian Research and currently executive director of the UBC China Council.  He has written extensively on global governance especially as it pertains to the G20 and Asia. 

All my colleagues have thought deeply on the questions of the Liberal Order and the consequences to American foreign policy in the Age of Trump.

Shaking the Global Order, Ep. 24: Jentleson, Schake, Stein, and Tiberghien on the Liberal Order

Defining American foreign policy and the Global Order has become
increasingly complicated. This next podcast gives us yet another
opportunity to tackle this difficult issue.

Rebecca Friedman Lissner has written a number of articles, some with her colleague Mira Rapp-Hooper, on just this topic. In late 2017, Rebecca wrote an article in Foreign Affairs reviewing the Trump Administration’s just released National Security Policy – “The National Security Strategy is Not a Strategy”. Then in the Washington Quarterly in 2018 with her colleague Mira Rapp-Hooper they wrote: “The Day after Trump: American Strategy for a New International Order”. And most recently with Mira the two have published, again in Foreign Affairs, “Why the Liberal Order is More than a Myth”.

In this latest article Rebecca and Mira argue that the United States will not be able to reclaim its former hegemonic role and instead they call for an “Openess-based strategy”. As the two wrote, “rather than wasting its still considerable power on quixotic bids to restore the liberal order or remake the world in its own image, the United States should focus on what it can realistically achieve: … Openess, not dominance should be the goal.”

Rebecca is currently an Assistant Professor in the Strategic and
Operational Research Department at the U.S. Naval War College. Come listen to this new voice on American foreign policy in the Trump era and beyond.

Shaking the Global Order, Ep. 25:  Rebecca Friedman Lissner on "Open" American Foreign Policy

It was with great pleasure that I welcomed into the virtual studio John J. Mearsheimer. John is one of the leading exponents of the School of Realism in international relations. With his book The Tragedy of Great Power Politics, published in 2001, John described and elaborated the foreign policy theory and practice of “Offensive Realism”.

John has been a persistent critic of U.S. foreign policy critics and their creation and elaboration of the liberal international order. His critique has been fully argued in his two most recent works: the book The Great Delusion: Liberal Dreams and International Realities, published in 2018 and his recent extended article in International Security, “Bound to Fail: The Rise and Fall of the Liberal International Order”.

John has taught international relations for many years at the University of Chicago. He has made quite a name for himself in his works on Realism in international relations. I was very excited to get John into the studio so we could get John to discuss the Liberal Order and get his views on American foreign policy in the ‘Age of Trump’.

Shaking the Global Order, Ep. 26: John J. Mearsheimer on "Offensive Realism" in Foreign Policy

It was opportunistic but very fortunate that I had the opportunity to welcome back to our studio and to sit down with Thomas Wright to explore with him Trump’s logic, strategy and motivation in targeting General Qasem Soleimani of Iran.

I had originally contacted with Tom to discuss the election of the Boris Johnson and his Conservatives in the UK in December, and examine the consequences for the Brexit, the UK and the EU. That podcast can be found at Episode 17 in the ‘Now’ Series. But I could not pass op the opportunity to sit down with Tom to examine the US-Iran crisis and in particular by Donald Trump and his Administration to kill General Soleimani. 

Tom has been involved in unpacking Trump’s foreign policy since about the time Trump announced his candidacy. Recently he has been a contributing writer for The Atlantic and has continued to explore Trump foreign policy. A recent article on January 1st does just this with respect to Trump’s Iran policy.

Tom is a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution and the author of All Measures Short of War: The Contest for the 21st Century and the Future of American Power.

It is a pleasure to welcome Tom back.

Shaking the Global Order, Ep. 27: Thomas Wright on the Iran-US Crisis and General Soleimani

As most international relations specialists would agree, the most consequential relationship now, and for the foreseeable future in the global order is that between China and the West. Yes, I do not say the U.S. Instead it is West. That does not mean that many do not see this as primarily a U.S.-China rivalry. But for others this not a retelling of the Cold war. 

Among the China experts we are so very pleased to welcome to a new Vision 20 Project, the CWD (China and the West Project,  is Professor Kerry Brown. His insights into China policy making and politics are well known. I was therefore pleased to welcome him to this Global Summitry podcast series to talk about China’s leadership and its policies toward the West. Come listen to Episode 28 in the series, ‘Shaking the Global Order: Foreign Policy in the Age of Trump’.
 
Kerry has served in both the public and the academic sectors. From 1998 to 2005, he worked at the British Foreign and Commonwealth Office, as First Secretary at the British Embassy in Beijing, and then as Head of the Indonesia, Philippine and East Timor Section. Kerry Brown is currently Professor of Chinese Studies and Director of the Lau China Institute, Kings College London. Before that 2012-2015 Kerry was Professor of Chinese Politics and Director of the China Studies Centre at the University of Sydney, Australia. 

Kerry has written a great deal about Chinese politics and its foreign policy. Recent works include: “China’s World: What does China want?”; “China’s Dream: The culture of Chinese Communism and the secret sources of its power”; and “The world according to Xi: Everything you need to know about the new China”.

Shaking the Global Order, Ep. 28: Kerry Brown on Chinese Leadership in China-West Relations

As most international relations specialists would agree, the most consequential relationship now, and for the foreseeable future in the global order, is that between China and the West. There is a growing rivalry between China and the United States, and the rising tensions raises difficult global order questions for all the actors in the international system. 

Kerry Brown is one of a number of China and international relations experts that have joined the Vision20 principals to examine the future of global order in the face of a growing tension between the two leading states in the international system, the United States and China. 

The Vision20 principals, Colin Bradford, Brookings and Yves Tiberghien, UBC and myself here at the Munk School of Global Affairs & Public Policy at the University of Toronto launched the China and the West Dialogue (CWD) this spring, and with the support of Kevin Gallagher from Boston University, we planned our first workshop. The meeting became virtual, of course, with the pandemic and this initial workshop was joined with experts and former officials from Latin America, the United States, Canada, the UK and Europe. 

The results of the meeting including identification of the participants and CWD statements that emerged can be found at the Global Development Policy (GDP) Center at Boston University (http://www.bu.edu/gdp/cwd/). Many of the experts that joined us at the BU virtual meeting also prepared Background Notes. All these Notes can be found at the CWD site at the Global Summitry Project website. 

The Vision20 principals also planned to gather experts at the 4th annual Global Solutions Summit in Berlin. That too turned into a virtual gathering. Several CWD participants prepared video presentations. These video presentations can be found at the GSS 2020 theme, the ‘Future of Multilateralism and Global Governance’ where Colin Bradford provided the keynote and the panel included Chen Dongxiao, President of SIIS in Shanghai, Susan Thornton, Senior Fellow and Research Scholar at Yale Law School Paul Tsai Center and Kerry Brown, Lau China Institute, King’s College London spoke on: ‘How is it Possible to avoid the emergence of another bipolar competitive era’.

As noted, Kerry was one of the video panelists. I was keen to bring Kerry back into the virtual studio (You can listen to Kerry Brown’s earlier podcast, Ep 28 ‘Shaking the Global Order’) to discuss his Background Note from the BU meeting and his panel appearance at the GSS. I wanted to dig further into his view that the global governance system was evolving to a ‘dual architecture’ or a ‘dual track world’ with ‘two different operating systems’. What are the implications of all this for US-China relations and indeed global governance relations?

Kerry Brown is currently Professor of Chinese Studies and Director of the Lau China Institute, Kings College London. Before that 2012-2015 Kerry was Professor of Chinese Politics and Director of the China Studies Centre at the University of Sydney, Australia. Kerry has served in both the public and the academic sectors. From 1998 to 2005, he worked at the British Foreign and Commonwealth Office, as First Secretary at the British Embassy in Beijing, and then as Head of the Indonesia, Philippine and East Timor Section. 

Kerry has written a great deal about Chinese politics and its foreign policy. Probably his most well-known study is China's Dream: The Culture of Chinese Communism and the Secret Sources of Its Power.

Shaking the Global Order, Ep. 29: Kerry Brown on 'Dual Architecture' in Global Governance

It was a great pleasure to invite Scott Kennedy into the virtual studio to discuss China’s National People’s Congress (NPC) just recently concluded. There decisions were announced on Hong Kong, with respect to the Chinese economy. These decisions formed the most recent backdrop to the rising tensions between Beijing and the current Trump Administration. In the light of earlier podcast episodes here at Global Summitry (these podcast episodes can be found at iTunes and at Spotify) with Kerry Brown (Ep. 28 and 29) on Xi Jinping’s China, we wanted to get Scott’s take on China and the US-China tensions. 

Scott is the Senior Advisor and Trustee Chair in Chinese Business & Economics at the Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS) in Washington. Scott focuses on Chinese economic policy including industrial policy, technology innovation, business lobbying, US-China commercial relations and global governance. 

Scott has written extensively on China including his CSIS study ‘China’s risky drive into new energy vehicles’, and he has edited among other books, Global governance and China: The dragon’s learning curve. 
Before coming to Washington, Scott was a professor at Indiana University (IU), where he established the Research Center for Chinese Politics & Business and was the founding academic director of IU’s China Office.

Shaking the Global Order, Ep. 30: Scott Kennedy on China-US Relations and Hong Kong

It was a great pleasure to welcome both colleagues into the virtual studio to discuss the rising tensions in China-US relations and consequences for the liberal order. We began this discussion – Part 1 of Episode 31 - with the efforts of Colin and Yves to initiate a ‘China-West’ Dialogue (CWD). This effort has brought together experts and former officials from around the globe seeking pathways to ameliorating China-US relations and suggesting a policy of ‘strategic engagement’ as opposed to ‘strategic competition’ or what some Democratic colleagues describe as ‘competition without catastrophe’.

Colin is a Non-resident Senior Fellow of the Global Economy and Development Program, Brookings Institution. Colin a specialist on global governance and the G20, He has edited Global Leadership in Transition (2010) and Global Governance Reform (2007). As a co-chair of Vision20 (V20) since 2016, Colin has convened annual events with Brookings to encourage longer term strategic thinking for the future. 

Yves Tiberghien (Ph.D. Stanford University, 2002 and Harvard Academy Scholar 2006) is a Professor of Political Science, Faculty Associate in the School of Public Policy and Global Affairs, Director Emeritus of the Institute of Asian Research at the University of British Columbia (UBC). He has published many articles and book chapters on Japan and China’s political economy, on global governance, global climate change politics, and on the governance of agricultural biotechnology. Yves founded the V20 group in 2015, a new coalition of global scholars and policy-makers aiming at providing a long-term perspective on the challenges of global economic and environmental governance. 

Colin along with Yves and Alan Alexandroff initiated the ‘China-West Dialogue’ (CWD) holding virtual workshops at Boston University GDP Center and at the Global Solutions Summit (GSS) in Berlin. Research from both events can be found here at Boston University and here at the GSS site All the research notes from experts at the BU workshop can be found here at the Global Summitry Project website at the Munk School of Global Affairs & Public Policy at the University of Toronto.

Shaking the Global Order, Ep. 31-1: Colin Bradford and Yves Tiberghien on China-US Relations

It was a great pleasure to welcome back both colleagues into the virtual studio to continue our discussion on the rising tensions in China-US relations it causes and its consequences for the liberal order. While Part 1 of this Episode 31 focused more the ‘China-West’ Dialogue (CWD) Project, this podcast cast a more critical light on the rising tensions between these two leading powers and other powers in the international system exploring in particular what could be down to avoid this growing rivalry. 

As a reminder, Colin is a Non-resident Senior Fellow of the Global Economy and Development Program, Brookings Institution. Colin a specialist on global governance and the G20, He has edited Global Leadership in Transition (2010) and Global Governance Reform (2007). As a co-chair of Vision20 (V20) since 2016, Colin has convened annual events with Brookings to encourage longer term strategic thinking for the future. 

Yves Tiberghien (Ph.D. Stanford University, 2002 and Harvard Academy Scholar 2006) is a Professor of Political Science, Faculty Associate in the School of Public Policy and Global Affairs, Director Emeritus of the Institute of Asian Research at the University of British Columbia (UBC). He has published many articles and book chapters on Japan and China’s political economy, on global governance, global climate change politics, and on the governance of agricultural biotechnology. Yves founded the V20 group in 2015, a new coalition of global scholars and policy-makers aiming at providing a long-term perspective on the challenges of global economic and environmental governance.

Shaking the Global Order, Ep. 31-2: Colin Bradford and Yves Tiberghien on China-US Relations

Hal Brands is a contemporary historian that explores the current global order. He has focused, among other things, on the rising tensions and competition between China and the United States. With Jake Sullivan, a former Obama official and a non-resident senior fellow in Carnegie’s Geoeconomics and Strategy Program, they wrote an intriguing examination in Foreign Policy of the possible paths to global domination by China – “China has two paths to Global Domination.”I explore with Hal this article and ‘dig into’ current Trump foreign policy, especially towards China. Come join us for this global order conversation.

Hal Brands is an American historian. Currently, he is the Henry A. Kissinger Distinguished Professor of Global Affairs at the Johns Hopkins University School of Advanced International Studies and a Resident Scholar at the American Enterprise Institute.

Shaking the Global Order, Ep. 32: Hal Brands on China's 'Domination' & US-China Competition

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