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In this episode of SoundNotes, LeadingAgile’s Derek Huether and Dave Prior tackle a student question about how Scrum works with Marketing. In a recent class, a student names Cherie explained that in the work her Marketing Team does, it isn’t possible to achieve “potentially shippable” at the end of a Sprint. The Team may finish the work and the Product Owner may accept it, but nothing can actually be “shippable” until after the client has had a chance to review a work item and provide feedback or approval

Show Notes

00:08 Interview Begins
00:26 An update on Derek’s upcoming events
01:30 Topic Introduction 
01:59 Cherie’s Question about how Definition of Done works when you are using Scrum in Marketing if nothing can ship until after you have client approval
02:26 Derek and Dave respond
03:03 We’re going to have an argument here…
04:33 The difference between a more pure Definition of Done  and potentially shippable  vs. what often happens in the real world
05:23 Derek shares a story on his experience with this issue
06:51 SHAME ON YOU FOR NOT MAKING HER HAPPY!
07:24 Why you should not blame the client for not having total clarity on what they need
09:05 Is it a big deal if you can’t get “shippable” out of a sprint
09:48 It’s more important to get the customer something they can provide feedback on
10:20 Always be learning a little more than you knew yesterday 
10:52 Derek’s advice for things Sheri could do to remedy the situation
11:48 Try to make a smarter decision tomorrow than you could today 
12:15 Scrum is a feedback mechanism
12:31 Where to send your questions for LeadingAgile’s Student QA podcasts
13:11 Podcast Ends

Derek and Dave will both be presenting at the Heart of Agile 2017 in Pittsburgh on April 27-28, 2017. To learn more about the conference:  http://heartofagile.com/heart-of-agile-conferences/heart-of-agile-pittsburgh-2017/

Contacting Derek
LeadingAgile Profile: https://www.leadingagile.com/guides/derek-huether/
Email: derek@leadingagile.com
Twitter: https://twitter.com/derekhuether
Personal Blog: http://www.derekhuether.com


Contacting Dave
LeadingAgile Profile: https://www.leadingagile.com/guides/dave-prior/
Email: dave.prior@leadingagile.com
Twitter: https://twitter.com/mrsungo
Personal Blog: http://drunkenpm.blogspot.com

Feedback/Questions
If you have comments on the podcast, or have questions for the LeadingAgile coaches that you’d like to have addressed in a future episode of LeadingAgile’s SoundNotes, you can reach Dave at dave.prior@leadingagile.com

LeadingAgile CSM and CSPO Classes
For information on LeadingAgile’s upcoming public CSM and CSPO classes, please go to: www.leadingagile.com/our-gear/training/
Use the discount code: LA_Podcast to receive a 15% discount on the class.
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Continuous Testing Live shares conversations with insightful, experienced, and engaging thought leaders around continuous testing, agile development, DevOps, digital transformation, and ways that software testers can have an even bigger impact on the world around them. This show is produced and presented by Tricentis.