Steven Heller is an art director, educator and author of over 100 books on design. Veronique Vienne is a writer and editor and author of several best-selling books including The Art of Doing Nothing, The Art of Imperfection, and The Art of The Moment. (04.07.06)

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Design Matters with Debbie Millman: Steven Heller & Veronique Vienne

Design Matters by Debbie Millman features interviews with designers, artists and cultural leaders, including Lawrence Weiner, Barbara Kruger, Malcolm Gladwell, Eric Kandel, Stefan Sagmeister, John Maeda, Jonathan Hoefler and Tobias Frere-Jones, Michael Arad, Milton Glaser, Massimo Vignelli, Paula Scher, Steven Heller, Jonah Lehrer, among others.

In 2011, Design Matters received the People’s Design Award from the prestigious Cooper-Hewitt National Design Awards.

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