We had a chance to sit down with Steve Hazel of Sauce Labs. Steve is the CTO, co-founder of the Sauce Labs. There has been so much written lately about the role of automated testing in DevOps and what the role of QA is going forward. Listen to what an industry veteran and thought leader has to say on the subject.

Also Steve recommended The Phoenix Project in our interview as a great book to read. Afterwards he had another great selection that we wanted to include: The Principles of Product Development Flow by Donald G. Reinertsen is never going to be a best seller, but it's a real engineer's book on process. If you aspire to push the state of the art forward beyond today's Agile and DevOps ideas, this book will show you a deeper and more rigorous way of thinking about product development processes.

Steve Hazel, Sauce Labs

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