I am also a survivor of the troubled teen industry and also attended the same facility at the same time as Beth, Thank you for having this amazing lady on your podcast. She is bright light for so many people including me some 35 years after the fact.

Thank you for sharing your story. I was sent to Cascade as well.

Cascade survivor a few years before Beth. I did  hitchhike out of there.. endured more trauma on the run. eventually caught and sent back also. 

the best podcast , I have listened to about the TTI..so many accurate points . 

Our guest this week, Beth Matenaer, is a licensed professional counselor and trauma therapist living in South Carolina, who has worked with adults, children, adolescents, and families for more than 25 years. As a survivor of the Troubled Teen Industry, she has devoted her decades-long career to treating clients who exhibit the complexity of post-traumatic stress (PTSD) and other victims of high-conflict systems. Additionally, she is the co-creator and Clinical Director of the innovative Think Boxing program. As an adolescent, she was sent to a program heavily modeled after the Synanon cult. This self-help style school used attack therapy, loss of personal agency, physical labor, and isolation from friends and family as a way to tear down “troubled” teenagers in order to reform them. 

Throughout their conversation, Beth shares with Rachel both her clinical expertise and personal experience, she sheds light on complex trauma or (CPTSD) and how it often goes unrecognized or mistreated. Beth also tells the story of her traumatic time at a "Troubled Teen" program, where she was subjected to unhealthy “cultic” and exploitative relationships with staff members. She goes on to explain what happened when she ran away from the program and how her experiences inspired her to become a therapist focusing largely on misunderstood youth, traumatized children and adults, and highly dysfunctional family systems.

Before You Go: Rachel emphasizes the importance of conducting research into any program before becoming involved, especially for parents who are often deceived by programs in the "Troubled Teen" industry. Rachel gives some tips on what parents should look out for when scouting programs and offers some advice on how to maintain a trusting relationship with their children.

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A Complicated Cookie w/ Beth Matenaer

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In this solo bonus episode, Rachel shares her insights on the "Love Has Won" cult, led by Amy Carlson who is referred to within the group as "Mother God". Rachel points out the commonalities that Amy's manipulative leadership shares with other cult leaders.



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Michael Laurie is an actor, a small group facilitator, and a parent. He talks with Paul about his road to recovery and shares his unusual story of becoming a foster parent, with all the love and pain that entails.&nbsp; More about Michael Laurie:<a href="http://www.MichaelLaurie.com" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">www.MichaelLaurie.com</a>IG @MichaelLaurieus WAYS TO HELP THE MIHH PODCASTSubscribe via&nbsp;iTunes and leave a review.&nbsp;It costs nothing.&nbsp;<a href="https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/mental-illness-happy-hour/id427377900?mt=2" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/mental-illness-happy-hour/id427377900?mt=2</a> Spread the word via social media.&nbsp;&nbsp;It costs nothing.Our website is&nbsp;<a href="http://www.mentalpod.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">www.mentalpod.com</a>&nbsp;our FB is&nbsp;<a href="http://www.facebook.com/mentalpod" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">www.Facebook.com/mentalpod</a>&nbsp;and our&nbsp;<a href="http://www.twitter.com/mentalpod" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Twitter</a>&nbsp;and&nbsp;<a href="http://www.instagram.com/mentalpod" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Instagram</a>&nbsp;are both @Mentalpod&nbsp; Become a much-needed Patreon monthly-donor&nbsp;(with occasional rewards)&nbsp;for as little as $1/month&nbsp;at&nbsp;<a href="http://www.patreon.com/mentalpod" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">www.Patreon.com/mentalpod</a>&nbsp;&nbsp;Become a one-time or monthly donor via PayPal at <a href="https://mentalpod.com/donate" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://mentalpod.com/donate</a>You can also donate via <a href="https://www.zellepay.com/get-started" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Zelle</a>&nbsp;(make payment to mentalpod@gmail.com)&nbsp;To donate via Venmo make payment to @Mentalpod&nbsp; Try Our Sponsor’s Products/Services See Privacy Policy at <a href="https://art19.com/privacy" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://art19.com/privacy</a> and California Privacy Notice at <a href="https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info</a>.

#692 Foster Parenting - Michael Laurie

Rachel Holdt and Elizabeth Humble are sisters who were raised in an Independent Fundamentalist Baptist Church they’ve now identified as a Cult, Cornerstone Baptist Church in Colorado Springs, Colorado. In 1998, Rachel was the whistleblower instrumental in the eventual arrest and criminal conviction of Charles Dean Miller, the son of a pastor who would become known to be a decades-long serial pedophile. After law enforcement investigations were corroborated by multiple generations and dozens of victims, his sexual abuse of underage girls was discovered. Liz and Rachel’s forthcoming memoir tentatively titled “The King James Virgin and Other Myths of the IFB” tells this story.


Rachel currently resides in Southern California, where she works as an educator in the field of biomechanics through the modalities of dance and pilates.  Her extraordinary experiences growing up in an oppressively restrictive environment that harshly policed the female body, inform her teaching philosophy through a lens of empathy and inclusion of all bodies.


Elizabeth currently lives in Oklahoma near her three daughters and two granddaughters, where she works as a barber, seamstress, and food truck owner. She also sits on the board of the Stillwater Downtown Association. Elizabeth attended Nazarene Bible College and later obtained a business management degree following her barber schooling at New Mexico Junior College.



In this first half of a two-part conversation, Rachel and Elizabeth provide background on their childhood as members of an IFB-based cult, offering insights on the effects of restrictive environments, psychological and sexual abuse, and the lasting impacts these abuses had on their adult lives.



Before You Go: Rachel points out how rare it is for children raised in cults to maintain healthy relationships with their family members.



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The King James Virgins w/Rachel Holdt & Elizabeth Humble

Erin Williams is an author, illustrator, and healthcare researcher who joins Paul to discuss chronic pain and how her own struggles with it have served her art.&nbsp;Look for her new book What's Wrong?: Personal Histories of Chronic Pain and Bad Medicine&nbsp;More about Erin:website:&nbsp;<a href="https://www.erinrwilliams.com/home" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.erinrwilliams.com/home</a>Instagram:&nbsp;<a href="https://www.instagram.com/erin_r_williams/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.instagram.com/erin_r_williams/</a> WAYS TO HELP THE MIHH PODCASTSubscribe via&nbsp;iTunes and leave a review.&nbsp;It costs nothing.&nbsp;<a href="https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/mental-illness-happy-hour/id427377900?mt=2" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/mental-illness-happy-hour/id427377900?mt=2</a> Spread the word via social media.&nbsp;&nbsp;It costs nothing.Our website is&nbsp;<a href="http://www.mentalpod.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">www.mentalpod.com</a>&nbsp;our FB is&nbsp;<a href="http://www.facebook.com/mentalpod" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">www.Facebook.com/mentalpod</a>&nbsp;and our&nbsp;<a href="http://www.twitter.com/mentalpod" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Twitter</a>&nbsp;and&nbsp;<a href="http://www.instagram.com/mentalpod" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Instagram</a>&nbsp;are both @Mentalpod&nbsp; Become a much-needed Patreon monthly-donor&nbsp;(with occasional rewards)&nbsp;for as little as $1/month&nbsp;at&nbsp;<a href="http://www.patreon.com/mentalpod" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">www.Patreon.com/mentalpod</a>&nbsp;&nbsp;Become a one-time or monthly donor via PayPal at <a href="https://mentalpod.com/donate" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://mentalpod.com/donate</a>You can also donate via <a href="https://www.zellepay.com/get-started" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Zelle</a>&nbsp;(make payment to mentalpod@gmail.com)&nbsp;To donate via Venmo make payment to @Mentalpod&nbsp; Try Our Sponsor’s Products/Services See Privacy Policy at <a href="https://art19.com/privacy" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://art19.com/privacy</a> and California Privacy Notice at <a href="https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info</a>.

#693 Chronic Pain - Erin Williams

Returning guests, Rachel Holdt and Elizabeth Humble are sisters who were raised in an Independent Fundamentalist Baptist Church they’ve now identified as a Cult, Cornerstone Baptist Church in Colorado Springs, Colorado. In 1998, Rachel was the whistleblower instrumental in the eventual arrest and criminal conviction of Charles Dean Miller, the son of a pastor who would become known to be a decades-long serial pedophile. After multiple generations and dozens of victims corroborated law enforcement investigations, his sexual abuse of underage girls was discovered. Liz and Rachel’s forthcoming memoir tentatively titled “The King James Virgin and Other Myths of the IFB” tells this story.

Rachel and Liz are returning to the show to continue telling the story they began last week and offer further insights into their harrowing experiences in the hopes that they may help listeners who may have been through similar traumas. So if you have not already, please go back and listen to last week’s episode where they introduce their story.


Before You Go: Rachel explains the inherent danger of religious ideologies that claim women's bodies are responsible for men's actions.



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The King James Virgins Pt. 2 w/Rachel Holdt & Elizabeth Humble

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In this bonus solo episode, Rachel delves into the harrowing intersection of crime and belief, discussing the chilling case of 'God's Misfits.' She examines the tragic murder of two women by a group claiming divine justification for their actions. Rachel goes on to explore the psychology behind using spirituality to rationalize crime, the impact of cultic groups on family dynamics, and the haunting notion of life as a "simulation".

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Marcy Langlois was born with a physical deformity, which required 23 surgical procedures before the age of 18, and was involved in a devastating, life-changing accident at the age of 17. She shares her story and opens up about the ways in which she has been able to heal and to focus on life’s infinite possibility. Look for her podcast Living Beyond Limits. This episode is sponsored by Paul Kalanithi’s bestselling memoir When Breath Becomes Air, available wherever books are sold.&nbsp;For more go to www.prh.com/BREATH More about Marcy:&nbsp;<a href="http://www.MarcyLanlois.com" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">www.MarcyLanlois.com</a> WAYS TO HELP THE MIHH PODCASTSubscribe via&nbsp;iTunes and leave a review.&nbsp;It costs nothing.&nbsp;<a href="https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/mental-illness-happy-hour/id427377900?mt=2" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/mental-illness-happy-hour/id427377900?mt=2</a> Spread the word via social media.&nbsp;&nbsp;It costs nothing.Our website is&nbsp;<a href="http://www.mentalpod.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">www.mentalpod.com</a>&nbsp;our FB is&nbsp;<a href="http://www.facebook.com/mentalpod" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">www.Facebook.com/mentalpod</a>&nbsp;and our&nbsp;<a href="http://www.twitter.com/mentalpod" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Twitter</a>&nbsp;and&nbsp;<a href="http://www.instagram.com/mentalpod" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Instagram</a>&nbsp;are both @Mentalpod&nbsp; Become a much-needed Patreon monthly-donor&nbsp;(with occasional rewards)&nbsp;for as little as $1/month&nbsp;at&nbsp;<a href="http://www.patreon.com/mentalpod" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">www.Patreon.com/mentalpod</a>&nbsp;&nbsp;Become a one-time or monthly donor via PayPal at <a href="https://mentalpod.com/donate" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://mentalpod.com/donate</a>You can also donate via <a href="https://www.zellepay.com/get-started" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Zelle</a>&nbsp;(make payment to mentalpod@gmail.com)&nbsp;To donate via Venmo make payment to @Mentalpod&nbsp; Try Our Sponsor’s Products/Services See Privacy Policy at <a href="https://art19.com/privacy" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://art19.com/privacy</a> and California Privacy Notice at <a href="https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info</a>.

#694 Accident & Deformity Trauma - Marcy Langlois

Uriah Wesman is a multiple-cult survivor, and one-liner comedian turned comedic storyteller. Early in his career, he was hesitant to speak about the cultic involvement of his childhood, but now after nearly 8 years of performing and producing hundreds of comedy shows he’s found a way to transmute the pain of his childhood into laughter and catharsis.



Uriah is now laser-focused on taking those darkest parts of his childhood and bringing them to light with his new one-man show called “Three Cults Walk Into A Bar” Where he brings levity to his difficult circumstances growing up in three different cults, being kidnapped as a child and recovering from a near-death experience.  The debut performance of his show is on Saturday, May 11th at the Lyric Hyperion Theater in Los Angeles.



In this compelling episode, Rachel has a profound conversation with Uriah, who shares his journey from being born into the Church Universal and Triumphant – where his life was dictated by the whims of a leader – to his tumultuous family dynamics and his struggle to find his own identity. His story is a tapestry of harrowing experiences, including being kidnapped by his mother and surviving a near-death experience, all of which he's now bravely turning into a source of laughter and healing through his one-man show "Three Cults Walk into a Bar."



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3 Cults Walk Into A Bar...w/Uriah Wesman

Dave Manheim is a producer and podcaster (Dopey) who shares his story of recovery and what it was like to create a podcast dedicated to addiction stories–and then to suddenly lose his co-host and creative&nbsp;partner to an overdose.More about Dave: <a href="http://www.DopeyPodcast.com" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">www.DopeyPodcast.com</a>WAYS TO HELP THE MIHH PODCASTSubscribe via&nbsp;iTunes and leave a review.&nbsp;It costs nothing.&nbsp;<a href="https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/mental-illness-happy-hour/id427377900?mt=2" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/mental-illness-happy-hour/id427377900?mt=2</a> Spread the word via social media.&nbsp;&nbsp;It costs nothing.Our website is&nbsp;<a href="http://www.mentalpod.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">www.mentalpod.com</a>&nbsp;our FB is&nbsp;<a href="http://www.facebook.com/mentalpod" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">www.Facebook.com/mentalpod</a>&nbsp;and our&nbsp;<a href="http://www.twitter.com/mentalpod" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Twitter</a>&nbsp;and&nbsp;<a href="http://www.instagram.com/mentalpod" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Instagram</a>&nbsp;are both @Mentalpod&nbsp; Become a much-needed Patreon monthly-donor&nbsp;(with occasional rewards)&nbsp;for as little as $1/month&nbsp;at&nbsp;<a href="http://www.patreon.com/mentalpod" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">www.Patreon.com/mentalpod</a>&nbsp;&nbsp;Become a one-time or monthly donor via PayPal at <a href="https://mentalpod.com/donate" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://mentalpod.com/donate</a>You can also donate via <a href="https://www.zellepay.com/get-started" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Zelle</a>&nbsp;(make payment to mentalpod@gmail.com)&nbsp;To donate via Venmo make payment to @Mentalpod&nbsp; Try Our Sponsor’s Products/ServicesSee Privacy Policy at <a href="https://art19.com/privacy" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://art19.com/privacy</a> and California Privacy Notice at <a href="https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info</a>.

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