Ken and Paul are joined by multi-published author and the founder of Evolutionary Workplace, Jill Nagle.

Jill believes many more problems than we realize can be solved with real-time conversations. She works with anti-racist leaders and organizations using cognitive, somatic, and strategy-based tools to help them create better conversations, sharper perspectives, and more effective strategies to align their actions with their ideals. 

This episode discusses the power of curiosity, disarming questions, and being in-touch with one's own bodily responses and patterns to have more transformational conversations on our antiracist journey. They also explore how creating more equitable societies and workplaces helps all people (including White folks) and how everyone has the power to enact change through leadership. 

Learn more about Jill's work: https://www.evolutionaryworkplace.com/

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Read Ken and Paul's takeaways from the conversation with Jill: themodernwhiteman.com/the-blog?blog=y
 
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Ep31: Jill Nagle - solving problems with real-time conversations

Co-hosts Ken Lawrence and Paul Johnson discuss how to be a Modern White Man who is antiracist, antisexist, and understands his role in creating an equitable society.

Ken and Paul unpack their identity as White men by having honest, open - and sometimes difficult and uncomfortable - conversations about being a White man. Where White men come from, White men’s place in today’s society, and roles White men can play moving forward as allies, leaders, and individuals who care about creating an equitable society where all races and genders thrive.

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