Chris Walker, the chairman of Refined Labs and CEO of Assetto, discusses his background in B2B companies and his new venture, Pesetto. He emphasizes the need for a new strategy in B2B marketing that focuses on profitability and efficiency. Chris also shares his vision for building an ecosystem of complementary B2B go-to-market technology and managed services. He talks about his transition from CEO to chairman and offers advice for others facing a similar stage in their careers.

Key Takeaways

"We need to figure out a new strategy for marketing that doesn't involve high volume lead generation."
"There is a shift happening in the market where companies need to build a profitable, efficient growth and go-to-market engine."
"The goal is to build a portfolio of complimentary specialized companies that handle different things from go-to-market operations, go-to-market strategy, analytics, advertising, content creation, website design, AI automated outbound."
"We discuss the importance of having marketing, sales, customer success, and product aligned on the same page."
"Content is one of the most effective channels to produce pipeline and generate conversations that might turn into opportunities, proposals, and deals."
"A hybrid talent model inside a B2B company is the appropriate way to run most functions."

Chapters

00:00
Introduction and Background
01:02
Chris's Career in B2B Companies
02:01
The Need for a New Strategy in B2B Marketing
04:38
Building a Data Structure for Informed Decision-Making
06:11
Creating an Ecosystem of Complementary B2B Go-to-Market Solutions
07:24
Transitioning from CEO to Chairman: Finding the Right Path
10:02
Understanding Your Leadership Strengths and Preferences

234 | Why Are Go-To-Market Strategies Evolving Faster Than Ever | Chris Walker, CEO of Refine Labs

330 | Cracking the Code: Ida Tin on Femtech, Fear and Funding

Profit is Not the Only Value

A sustainable systems scientist, Weslynne Ashton is professor of environmental management and sustainability at the Illinois Institute of Technology, where she also co-directs ID’s Food Systems Action Lab.

Here she discusses her work in industrial ecology and the circular economy, drawing from her experiences growing up in Trinidad. Weslynne argues that businesses need to adopt a more holistic view of value creation and regeneration, moving beyond purely financial metrics. 

Weslynne Ashton’s research, teaching, and practice are oriented around transitioning socio-ecological systems to create more sustainable and regenerative business practices and emphasizes the importance of expanding beyond traditional views of capital to include eight different types: natural, human, financial, manufactured, social, political, cultural, and digital. 

But how do we get these multiple capitals onto the balance sheet of business? Find out more in this conversation with hosts Geoff Tuff and Des Dearlove.

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This podcast is part of an ongoing series of interviews with executives. The executives’ participation in these articles are solely for educational purposes based on their knowledge of the subject and the views expressed by them are solely their own. This podcast should not be deemed or construed to be for the purpose of soliciting business for any of the companies mentioned, nor does Deloitte advocate or endorse the services or products provided by these companies.

The Provocateurs Episode 31: Weslynne Ashton

Katie McGinty is the vice president and chief sustainability and external relations officer at Johnson Controls. In this episode she shares insights from her remarkable career spanning both public service – including as the first woman to chair the White House Council on Environmental Quality under President Clinton – and private sector leadership.

Challenging the persistent myth that environmental initiatives harm the bottom line, Katie explains how sustainability and economic success are not opposing forces but complementary strategies, demonstrating through real-world examples how Johnson Controls achieves significant carbon reductions while generating substantial cost savings for clients.

Key themes include:

The importance of systems thinking in environmental solutions.
How buildings can be transformed from climate problems to climate solutions.
The power of technological innovation through efficiency, electrification, and digitalization. 

Drawing from her unique background in chemistry, policy, and business leadership, Katie illustrates how bringing diverse perspectives together catalyzes creativity and transforms environmental challenges into competitive advantages and economic opportunities. Sustainability, she contends, is becoming “strategy essential” for businesses.

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This podcast is part of an ongoing series of interviews with executives. The executives’ participation in these articles are solely for educational purposes based on their knowledge of the subject and the views expressed by them are solely their own. This podcast should not be deemed or construed to be for the purpose of soliciting business for any of the companies mentioned, nor does Deloitte advocate or endorse the services or products provided by these companies.

The Provocateurs Episode 32: Katie McGinty

In this episode of the Scaled Up Twilight podcast, Mike Dias interviews Lucas Lovell, VP of Product at Paddle. Lucas shares his unique journey from studying law in Australia to becoming a product leader in the tech industry. He discusses his experiences at Paddle, the importance of founder backgrounds in product management, and the skills necessary for transitioning from a founder to a VP role. The conversation highlights the significance of adaptability, empowerment, and the evolving nature of product management as companies scale. In this conversation, Mike Dias and Lucas discuss the challenges of cross-functional alignment in product and go-to-market functions, the impact of incentivization structures on decision-making, and the balance between passion and financial outcomes in leadership roles. They explore the evolving role of AI in product management, emphasizing the need for customer centricity despite the efficiencies AI brings. Lucas reflects on his career choices, highlighting the importance of continuous learning and growth.

Takeaways

The role of a VP of Product differs significantly from a PM.
Metrics shift from product-focused to business-focused at the VP level.
Collaboration across functions is essential for product success. Product leaders need a founder mindset to navigate silos.
Cross-functional alignment is a maturity journey for companies.
Clarity in strategy helps reduce friction among leaders.
Incentivization structures can create misalignment between teams.
Balancing passion and financial outcomes is crucial for leaders.
AI is transforming product management by speeding up execution.


Sound Bites

"Paddle is a great place for founders."
"Your primary artifact becomes strategy."
"Why do we have such a lot of silos?"
"Alignment on strategy is crucial."
"We didn't have alignment on ICP."
"We want to be more piratic."
"Execution is becoming cheaper and faster."
"AI is making PMs less customer centric."
"Keep indexing towards learning."

331 | AI and the Future Of Product Management | Lucas Lovell, VP of Product of Paddle

Rajendra Pratap Gupta is a policymaker and author, a former advisor to the Health Minister of India, and a leading provocateur in digital health initiatives across the world.

He is the founder of the Global Digital Health Summit, which aims to create the future of healthcare; global think-tank The Health Parliament, which collaborates with the world’s leading organizations to make health and well-being accessible to all; and the International Patients Union, which is dedicated to empowering patients in policymaking. Rajendra also works to advance education in digital health at the Academy of Digital Health Sciences, which is now the largest provider of digital health courses globally.

In this episode, Rajendra draws on his extensive experience in private and public sectors to map out the future of healthcare. Discover:

• How prioritising healthcare can win elections
• The critical role of preemptive care over preventive care
• How genetics and individual data is shifting healthcare “from bedside to website”

With the democratization of technology, Rajendra contends, patients will turn from being passive recipients of care to active participants. Technology will be more than a platform for the solution – it will be the solution itself.

The executive’s participation in this podcast is solely for educational purposes based on their knowledge of the subject and the views expressed by them are solely their own. This podcast should not be deemed or construed to be for the purpose of soliciting business for any of the companies mentioned, nor does Deloitte advocate or endorse the services or products provided by these companies.

The Provocateurs Episode 33: Rajendra Pratap Gupta

Karthik Ramanna is a professor of business and public policy at the University of Oxford's Blavatnik School of Government and author of The Age of Outrage: How to Lead in a Polarized World – recently named one of Thinkers50's Best Management Books of 2025.

In this episode of The Provocateurs, Karthik identifies three distinctive forces shaping our current moment: profound uncertainty about the future driven by AI, climate change, and demographic shifts; deep distrust in institutions of governance that people feel have delivered a "raw deal"; and a shift away from global humanism toward economic and cultural nationalism.

Discover the tools and techniques leaders can adopt not only to manage outrage but to manage in the age of outrage, including:
- How to build an active listening network
- A 5-step framework for maintaining calm 
- Lessons from “temperate leadership”

Ideas, says Karthik, are everywhere, but implementation is everything.

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The executive’s participation in this podcast is solely for educational purposes based on their knowledge of the subject and the views expressed by them are solely their own. This podcast should not be deemed or construed to be for the purpose of soliciting business for any of the companies mentioned, nor does Deloitte advocate or endorse the services or products provided by these companies.


The Provocateurs Episode 34: Karthik Ramanna

Trailblazer Eileen Collins is a retired NASA astronaut and former Air Force Colonel. In 1995, she became the first woman to pilot a space shuttle and in 1999, she became the first woman to command a space shuttle mission. Eileen's final mission in 2005 was commanding the critical return to flight mission, the first since the space shuttle Columbia disaster. Her memoir Through The Glass Ceiling to the Stars, was published in 2021. 

Provocateurs hosts Des Dearlove and Steve Goldbach talk to Eileen about her remarkable journey from a young girl in small town Elmira, New York, who dreamed of flying, to breaking the glass ceiling at NASA. Addressing the challenges of spaceflight, she reveals the importance of relentless preparation, the power of mentorship, and her evolution from an autocratic to collaborative leader. She also shares her three fundamental elements of leadership:

1. Know your job
2. Get the right people in place
3. Integrity: honesty and trust

In a candid conversation, Eileen also reveals surprising moments of vulnerability, including a panic attack at a press event that contrasted sharply with her calm under life-threatening space emergencies. 
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The executive’s participation in this podcast is solely for educational purposes based on their knowledge of the subject and the views expressed by them are solely their own. This podcast should not be deemed or construed to be for the purpose of soliciting business for any of the companies mentioned, nor does Deloitte advocate or endorse the services or products provided by these companies.

The Provocateurs Episode 35: Eileen Collins

Award-winning chef, chocolatier, and founder of Midunu, Selassie Atadika is a Time 2025 Earth Award honoree and Yale’s inaugural Global Table Fellow. In this compelling episode of Provocateurs, Selassie demonstrates how intentional food choices can reshape entire systems.

Food is more than just sustenance, she contends, it’s a powerful tool for transformation, touching every aspect of our lives from economics to environmental policy, health, and culture. Drawing from her experiences across 44 African countries, Selassie’s philosophy of "new African cuisine" – where culture, community, and cuisine intersect with environment, sustainability, and economy – offers profound lessons for addressing global food system challenges, while celebrating local traditions and creating economic opportunities for smallholder farmers.

Discover more about the innovative business model of Midunu – a nomadic dining concept that combines research, education, and culinary experiences – and how Selassie is “leading through deliciousness” to create new possibilities for sustainable agriculture, preserve cultural heritage, and protect the environment around us.

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The executive’s participation in this podcast is solely for educational purposes based on their knowledge of the subject and the views expressed by them are solely their own. This podcast should not be deemed or construed to be for the purpose of soliciting business for any of the companies mentioned, nor does Deloitte advocate or endorse the services or products provided by these companies.

The Provocateurs Episode 36: Selassie Atadika

Anke Hampel is chief sustainability officer at ABB, a global technology leader in electrification and automation based in Zurich, and a member of the board of directors of ABB Germany. With a background in finance, procurement, supply chain, and innovation management in the consumer goods and packaging industry, Anke is driven by a mission to unite profit with purpose. Sustainability, she contends, is a business imperative, not a fluffy add-on. Moreover, sustainability is not the preserve of seasoned experts; everyone can and should play a role.

In this special episode of the Provocateurs podcast recorded live at Climate Week New York, Anke presents the business case for sustainability and shares her learnings:
• Integrate sustainability into strategy: align your entire portfolio to your purpose by embedding sustainability targets directly into financial planning.
• Measure what matters: apply KPI’s to every phase of the product lifecycle to track circularity.
• Collaborate actively: as resources decline, close partnerships across your ecosystem are vital – or you risk losing your place in the supply chain.
• Manage climate risk: what cannot be insured cannot be financed – and data shows that climate-related risks are increasingly uninsurable.

Hear more from Anke on why now is the critical time to make a strategic decision: Flee, Freeze, or Fast Forward.
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The executive’s participation in this podcast is solely for educational purposes based on their knowledge of the subject and the views expressed by them are solely their own. This podcast should not be deemed or construed to be for the purpose of soliciting business for any of the companies mentioned, nor does Deloitte advocate or endorse the services or products provided by these companies.


The Provocateurs Episode 37 Anke Hampel: Recorded Live at Climate Week New York

In this Provocateurs podcast special recorded at the 2025 Thinkers50 London Summit & Awards Gala, creativity strategist Natalie Nixon discusses how organizations can harness creativity as a strategic business competency.

Challenging the misconception that creativity belongs only to artists, Natalie uses her “wonder-rigor” framework to demonstrate that the best engineers, scientists, CFOs, and leaders toggle between imaginative exploration (wonder) and disciplined execution (rigor). This chaordic balance between chaos and order is essential, she says, for driving sustainable innovation.

Turning to AI and the future of work, Natalie contends that technology offers an opportunity for more distributed, improvisational ways of working – which appeal in particular to Gen Z – and AI can actually humanize organizations by creating liminal space for deeper collaboration and wonder. 

Natalie is the author of The Creativity Leap: Unleash Curiosity, Improvisation and Intuition at Work (Berrett-Koehler, 2020), and Move. Think. Rest. Redefining Productivity & Our Relationship with Time (Balance, 2025).

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This podcast is part of an ongoing series of interviews with executives. The executives’ participation in this podcast are solely for educational purposes based on their knowledge of the subject and the views expressed by them are solely their own. This podcast should not be deemed or construed to be for the purpose of soliciting business for any of the companies mentioned, nor does Deloitte advocate or endorse the services or products provided by these companies.

The Provocateurs Episode 38 | Natalie Nixon: Why Creativity is a Strategic Skill

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