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Zak Kyes is the creative director and founder of Zak Group where he leads projects for cultural and commercial clients across scales and mediums. From 2006 to 2016, he was the art director of the Architectural Association School of Architecture in London and in 2007 he curated with Mark Owens Forms of Inquiry: The Architecture of Critical Graphic Design. In this episode, Jarrett and Zak talk about design as a type of cultural production, what he learned from working with architects, and rethinking our definitions of culture.  Links from this episode can be found at scratchingthesurface.fm/194-zak-kyes.
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194. Zak Kyes

Zak Kyes is the creative director and founder of Zak Group where he leads projects for cultural and commercial clients across scales and mediums. From 2006 to 2016, he was the art director of the Architectural Association School of Architecture in London and in 2007 he curated with Mark Owens Forms of Inquiry: The Architecture of Critical Graphic Design. In this episode, Jarrett and Zak talk about design as a type of cultural production, what he learned from working with architects, and rethinking our definitions of culture. This episode originally aired August 4, 2021.

194. Zak Kyes (Originally aired 8/4/21)

Lydia Kallipoliti is an architect, engineer, and scholar. She is an assistant professor at the Cooper Union School of Architecture, the author of the book The Architecture of Closed Worlds and is the co-curator of the 2022 Tallinn Architecture Biennale. In this conversation, Jarrett and Lydia talk about being an architect who doesn’t build, Lydia’s concept of ‘immersive scholarship’, and alternative forms of disseminating research. This episode originally aired 3/30/22.

211. Lydia Kallipoliti (Originally aired 3/30/22)

Joel Towers is the president of The New School in New York City. Trained as an architect, President Towers joined the school in 2004, first as a faculty member and director of Sustainable Design and Urban Ecology and most recently as executive dean of Parsons School of Design from 2009 to 2019. In this conversation, Jarrett and President Towers talk about the state of higher education, the shifting nature of design education, and how studying architecture in the late eighties shaped the work he does today. Links from this episode can be found at scratchingthesurface.fm/272-joel-towers
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272. Joel Towers

Nick Foster is a futures designer and author of the new book Could Should Might Don’t: How We Think About The Future. Trained as an industrial designer, he has spent his career exploring the future for a range of companies, most recently as the Head of Design at Google X, where he led a team of designers, researchers, and prototypers in the company’s “moonshot factory.” In this conversation, Jarrett and Nick talk about where our images of the future come from, design’s role in thinking about the future, and why we need to find new ways to talk about the futures we want. Links from this episode can be found at scratchingthesurface.fm/273-nick-foster
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273. Nick Foster

Anthony Dunne and Fiona Raby use design as a medium to interrogate our relationship to reality. They are the authors of multiple books, including 2013’s Speculative Everything and 2025’s Not Here, Not Now. Until recently, they were professors of Design and Social Inquiry at The New School where they ran the Design Realities Lab. In this conversation, Jarrett talks with Dunne and Raby about how their new book expands upon and responds to their previous work, how their practice has evolved over the last ten years, and why they don’t like calling themselves speculative designers. Links from this episode are available at www.scratchingthesurface.fm/274-anthony-dunne-fiona-raby
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274. Anthony Dunne and Fiona Raby

David Godshall and Kasey Toomey are partners at Terremoto, a landscape architecture design studio based in Los Angeles and the Bay Area. Founded by Godshall and Alain Peauroi, Terremoto creates gardens that blend material exploration and conceptual ideas that seek to do right by the land while also acknowledging the laborer, the wildlife, and Indigenous communities on whose land they now  live and work. In this conversation, Jarrett talks with David and Kasey about the philosophy of garden design, garden as a verb, their work in labor activism, and why garden design might be a model for the future of design practice. Links from this episode are available at www.scratchingthesurface.fm/275-david-godshall-kasey-toomey.
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275. David Godshall & Kasey Toomey

Amale Andraos and Dan Wood are the founders of WORKac, an architecture office working across a range of scales with an emphasis on public, cultural, or civic projects all around the world. Amale is also  professor at Columbia GSAPP, where she also served as dean from 2014-2021, and Dan has taught most recently at Columbia and Yale. They’ve also published a series of books including 49 Cities, Above the Pavement, the Farm, We’ll Get There When We Cross That Bridge, and their new monograph, Buildings for People and Plants. In this conversation, Amale and Dan talk with Jarrett about the threads that connect their body of work, the role of publishing in the studio, and why they think of their work as “pop”. Links from this episode are available at www.scratchingthesurface.fm/276-amale-andraos-dan-wood.
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276. Amale Andraos & Dan Wood

Maggie Gram is a writer, cultural historian, and designer. She’s the author of the new book, The Invention of Design, and her writing as appeared in n+1 and The New York Times. She also leads an experience design team at Google in New York. In this conversation, Jarrett and Maggie talk about how she wrote her book, the evolution of how we talk about design, design’s relationship to power, and why we need new ways to think about what design can do today. Links from this episode are available at www.scratchingthesurface.fm/277-maggie-gram.
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277. Maggie Gram

Carlo Ratti is an architect, engineer, author, and academic. He is the curator of the 2025 Venice Biennale of Architecture, where he developed the theme Intelligens: Natural, Artificial, Collective. He runs the Senseable City Lab at MIT and is the author of multiple books including Atlas of the Senseable City, The City of Tomorrow, and Open Source Architecture. In this conversation, Jarrett and Carlo reflect on this year’s biennale, how architecture can act as a connector of multiple intelligences, and how the senseable city is different than the smart city. Links from this episode are available at www.scratchingthesurface.fm/278-carlo-ratti
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278. Carlo Ratti

Thomas Weaver is an architectural writer, teacher, critic, and editor. He is a commissioning editor at Park Books where he cofounded and edits the Gumshoe series, and has teaching appoints at Princeton University and Accademia di architettura. He was previously the Senior Acquisitions Editor for Art and Architecture at MIT Press, and managing editor at the Architectural Association where he editied the school’s journal, AA Files, as well as their other publications and books. In this conversation, Jarrett and Thomas talk about the his experiments with form, pushing the limits of academic writing, and the role of the editor in architecture discourse. Links from this episode are available at www.scratchingthesurface.fm/279-thomas-weaver
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279. Thomas Weaver

The American artist talks terror, trauma and America’s inability to reckon with itself with Acyde and Tremaine Emory.

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Scratching the Surface is a podcast about design, theory, and creative practice. Hosted by Jarrett Fuller, each episode features wide-ranging conversations with designers, architects, writers, academics, artists, and theorists about how design shapes culture. Previous guests include architecture critic Paul Goldberger, MoMA design curator Paola Antonelli, architect and OMA partner Reinier de Graaf, Pentagram partner Michael Bierut, RISD President Rosanne Somerson, writer Kurt Andersen, and designer Jessica Helfand. Featured in Architectural Digest, Dezeen, Curbed, and Eye. New episodes every other Wednesday.

194. Zak Kyes

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