In this heartfelt episode of Typology, Anthony and I sit down with Elizabeth Husserl—an Enneagram One with a Two wing and the author of the beautiful new book The Power of Enough: Finding Joy in Your Relationship with Money. Elizabeth's story begins over two decades ago when she first encountered the Enneagram. What followed was nothing short of transformational. Her work with the Enneagram didn’t just shape her inner life—it helped heal her marriage and completely reframed her understanding of wealth. In our conversation, she invites us to imagine a richer, more expansive definition of money—one rooted in connection, belonging, and wholeness rather than scarcity and striving. Together, we explore:   How the Enneagram can deepen personal growth and strengthen relationships   Elizabeth’s evolving relationship with money and what it’s taught her   The role of financial “DNA” and how we can begin to rewrite our inherited money stories   Grounded practices for living with “enoughness” in every area of life   If you're curious about how the Enneagram intersects with your financial story—or simply hungry for a more soulful approach to money—this episode is full of wisdom, vulnerability, and grace. You can learn more about Elizabeth’s work at , and follow her on Instagram  for more insights.

When “Enough” Is More Than Money: An Enneagram One’s Journey, feat. Elizabeth Husserl

This week on Typology I had the joy of sitting down with author Hanna Howard, an Enneagram Four with a Five wing. Hanna’s not only the author of the young adult fantasy novel Our Divine Mischief, but also a great example of how our Enneagram type shapes the stories we tell — on paper and in life. We talk about what sets a 4w5 apart — that mix of emotional depth and intellectual curiosity. While a 4w3 may lean toward image and achievement, Hanna shares how her Five wing draws her inward, toward reflection, research, and a rich world of ideas. Hanna opens up about her lifelong search for authenticity — that familiar Four longing to feel significant — and shares a moment from her college years when a single line from Twelfth Night put words to that ache for belonging. Of course, we talk about Our Divine Mischief — Hanna’s alternate-history fantasy set in a magical version of Scotland. At its core, it’s a story about belonging, something every Four knows well, complete with a wish-granting dog (yes, really). It’s a rich conversation about creativity, personality, and the longing we all carry to belong. I hope you enjoy it. And if you’re looking for a beautiful read, check out Our Divine Mischief. 🎧 Listen wherever you get your podcasts. And as always — stay curious. &nbsp;

The Inner World of a 4w5: The Creative Struggle for Authenticity with Hanna HowardDraft: Hanna Howard

In this episode of Typology, we welcome Doug Lynam, an Enneagram 3w4 and author of the new book "Taming Your Money Monster: Nine Paths to Money Mastery with the Enneagram." Doug shares his fascinating journey from Marine Corps officer to Benedictine monk and now money manager, exploring how the Enneagram can provide insights into our relationship with money.&nbsp; Join us as we dive into the unique "money monsters" associated with each Enneagram type, discussing how childhood narratives shape our financial behaviors and the importance of authenticity in achieving a healthier relationship with money.&nbsp; Doug also introduces his innovatie approach that combines the Enneagram with attachment theory, offering practical tools for overcoming financial challenges.&nbsp; No matter your type, this episode is packed with valuable insights and humor that will help you understand your financial habits and how to master them.&nbsp; Don't miss this enlightening conversation that promises to change the way you think about money and personal growth.&nbsp;  Learn more about Doug at  Grab your copy of  Subscribe to Typology for more insights on the Enneagram and personal growth.

Taming Your Money Monster: Understanding Finances Through the Lens of the Enneagram, feat. Doug Lynam

Welcome to this enlightening episode of Typology! Join us as we explore the life and journey of Sister Monica Clare, an Enneagram 6 and author of the memoir&nbsp;A Change of Habit: Leaving Behind My Husband, Career, and Everything I Owned to Become a Nun. In this episode, we explore:   Sister Monica's experiences growing up in a chaotic environment and how it shaped her Enneagram type.   The unique challenges and joys of being an Enneagram 6 in a religious community.   The intersection of spirituality and personality, and how the Enneagram informs her spiritual practices.   Insights from her journey in Al-Anon and the lessons learned about control and boundaries.   The role of fear and anxiety in decision-making and how she navigates these feelings in her leadership role.   Sister Monica shares her candid reflections on her path to becoming a nun, the importance of community, and the spiritual practices that ground her amidst uncertainty. Don't miss this heartfelt conversation filled with wisdom, humor, and inspiration! &nbsp; ------------------------------- Connect with Sister Monica Clare on TikTok:&nbsp; Grab a copy of  today!

A Change of Habit: Sister Monica Clare's Journey from Advertising to Nunhood

How do our early stories shape who we become, and what would it look like to embrace healing and grace along the way? In this heartfelt episode of Typology, we welcome Melanie Shankle, an Enneagram 9 with an 8 wing and author of Here Be Dragons: Treading the Deep Waters of Motherhood, Mean Girls, and Generational Trauma. Melanie opens up about the impact of a turbulent childhood, the people-pleasing patterns that followed, and what it took for her to confront her past with honesty and compassion. Together, we explore how writing her book became a profound path of self-understanding and generational healing. Whether you’re reflecting on your own childhood, parenting, or your inner growth as an adult, this honest and hopeful conversation invites you to embrace grace, compassion, and deeper self-awareness. Tune in and discover that healing often begins when we dare to face the stories we thought we had to hide. &nbsp;

The Stories That Shape Us, feat. Melanie Shankle (Enneagram 9)

In this episode of Typology, I sit down with Chris Janssen, a&nbsp;USA Today&nbsp;best-selling author and board-certified coach, to explore the intersection of the Enneagram, recovery, and personal growth. Chris, an Enneagram 4, shares her journey of sobriety and the insights she gained from her experiences. Together, we discuss the unique challenges that Enneagram 4s face, particularly in relation to addiction and the feeling of being different. Chris opens up about her struggles with self-acceptance and the importance of grace in the recovery process. Tune in as we dive into:   The role of the Enneagram in understanding addiction   The significance of grace on the recovery journey   How to navigate criticism and self-worth as a creative   The power of community in recovery settings   Whether you're familiar with the Enneagram or just starting your journey, this episode offers valuable insights into embracing your true self and finding healing. Don't forget to check out Chris's new book, "," available wherever books are sold. Subscribe to Typology for more episodes exploring the human personality through the lens of the Enneagram! May you have love, joy, peace, healing, and rest. Until next time! &nbsp; Connect with Chris Janssen here: www.

Grace Yourself: How to Embrace Sobriety and Self-Acceptance, with Chris Janssen

Ever feel like the world’s volume knob is stuck on “too loud”? In this week’s episode of Typology, I’m joined by my friend Sarah Boyd—an insightful Enneagram Four and author of the brand-new book, . Sarah has walked through seasons of deep beauty and deep challenge—including her own cancer journey—and she’s here to share how those experiences have shaped her understanding of creativity, meaning, and the role our emotions play in living a full, authentic life. We talk about how overstimulation impacts both adults and kids, why recognizing our limitations matters, and how setting healthy boundaries isn’t selfish—it’s essential. Sarah offers thoughtful, practical ideas for creating a home where emotional health can thrive, even when the world outside feels overwhelming. If you’ve been craving a little more peace, presence, and emotional resilience in your daily life, this conversation is for you. In this episode, we explore:   The beauty and necessity of emotional experiences   How to navigate life in a chronically overstimulated world   Simple, powerful practices for parents to nurture their kids’ emotional well-being   The freedom that comes from self-care and clear boundaries    Thank you for tuning in. We hope you enjoy this enriching episode!

Building an Emotionally Healthy Family in a Culture That Won’t Stop Shouting, with Sarah Boyd, M.Ed. in Psych

This week on Typology, I sit down with Ginny Yurich—author of Until the Streetlights Come On and Homeschooling: You’re Doing It Right Just by Doing It. Together, we revisit the freedom of childhood play, explore how modern parenting has shifted, and talk about why kids today desperately need more time outdoors. Ginny, an Enneagram Two, shares candidly about her own parenting journey—what she’s learned about boundaries, mutuality, and the deep desire to feel appreciated. She also introduces her initiative, 1,000 Hours Outside, which is inspiring families around the world to reclaim the simple, sacred gift of unstructured outdoor play. Whether you’re a parent, grandparent, teacher, or simply someone reflecting on your own childhood, this conversation is a powerful reminder that nature has the ability to heal, connect, and transform us. &nbsp; &nbsp; Connect with Ginny &nbsp; &nbsp;     &nbsp;

1,000 Hours Outside: Rediscovering the Freedom of Play with Ginny Yurich

This week on Typology, I sat down with the brilliant and buoyant Margaret Feinberg—author, teacher, and Enneagram 7 with an 8 wing. We talked about her new book, The God You Need to Know, and what it means to experience the Holy Spirit’s presence—not just in the highs of life, but in the valleys too. Margaret opened up about facing surgery just before her book launch, navigating the exhaustion that comes with being “on” all the time, and how her joy had to be redefined in the midst of cancer. We also explored how ADHD traits can show up in Enneagram Sevens, what it’s like being married to a Type 5, and how learning to rest isn’t easy when you live in a world that never slows down. Margaret also offered a fresh perspective on the Holy Spirit—not just in the New Testament, but throughout Scripture. It’s a conversation about joy that makes room for sorrow, faith that’s been through the fire, and a Spirit who meets us in the mess. As you listen, take a moment to consider:   What does true rest look like for you?   Has your understanding of the Holy Spirit grown or shifted over time?   Can you recall a time when joy and suffering existed side by side in your story?   &nbsp; &nbsp;

Joy, Suffering, and the Spirit Who Holds It All – with Margaret Feinberg (Enneagram 7w8)

What is an Instinctual Stack? Do you know yours? We all have three instincts. None of us are absent one. However, one does tend to be dominant.&nbsp; But what are instincts and how do they influence how each type shows up in the world?&nbsp; In today’s episode, we revisit our conversation with Elan Benami, creator of the EnneaApp and author of&nbsp; Enneagram Patterns &amp; Poetics, to provide you with a great overview of Instincts, Subtypes, and the Instinctual Stack and how they can play out in your personal and professional life.&nbsp; &nbsp; About Elan: Elan is an LPC with a MA in Transpersonal Counseling Psychology and BA in Philosophy. In addition to his own private counseling practice, Elan is the Clinical Director of  - a non-profit that provides affordable counseling in Colorado. Elan was introduced to the Enneagram in 2008 by his first therapist. He then did intense studying with Lori Ohlson, who was his supervisor. Claudio Naranjo was Lori's primary teacher, so there is a deep kinship with his work. Other major Enneagram teachers who have shaped Elan include Helen Palmer, Russ Hudson, Don Riso, and Sandra Maitri. Elan and Lori Ohlson have co-facilitated many Enneagram classes/workshops, most of them in the narrative tradition. Through Lori’s Enneagram material (of over 25 years of teaching the Enneagram), Elan created the , initially for the purpose of having something to quickly reference between sessions. Through the years, he has adapted the content to be more reflective of his own experience while also preserving Lori’s lineage. The app has over 1.5 million downloads.

Discover Your Instinctual Stack, with Elan Benami, EnneaApp Creator

Welcome to Typology, a podcast that explores the mystery of the human personality and how we can use the Enneagram typing system as a tool to become our most authentic selves. Hosted by author, speaker, and counselor, Ian Morgan Cron, Typology features interviews with recognized Enneagram teachers, bestselling authors, psychologists, theologians, artists, business leaders, neuroscientists, and others who are using the Enneagram as a path for personal transformation.

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