Renowned author and complexity thinker Jennifer Garvey Berger, co-founder of Cultivating Leadership, joins us in this episode to explore how organisations can evolve by unlocking the mental traps that limit adaptive capacity.
She helps us reframe leadership as a practice that fosters engagement and thriving amid uncertainty, and guides us through why individual development is essential to creating truly functional and effective collectives.
She highlights gaps in organisations that often overlook the importance of actively attending to a team’s health, which harms the relationships and connections that hold systems together.
She shares a future-focused insight, stating that “organisations are not merely serving markets, but constantly co-creating them,” redefining the deep implications for how organisations define their purpose, value, and long-term responsibility.
This episode offers a powerful and timely reflection that embraces a more ecological and co-creative approach to organizing. Tune in.

Jennifer, widely known for her books “Unlocking Leadership Mindtraps” and “Changing on the Job”, has guided organisations worldwide in revisiting their mindtraps and reshaping traditional leadership.
In this episode, she continues to challenge conventional views of customer-centricity and urges organisations to recognise their role in shaping society and ecosystems, advocating for a purpose that is deeply embedded rather than merely performative.
On a timely note, she reflects on generational shifts in how people relate to work and meaning, alongside the rise of values-led business models that call for designing with longer horizons in mind.
She helps us stay present, emphasising it as essential for preparing for the future, and guides us in visualising and designing what it means to be a complexity-informed leader.

Key Highlights
👉 Value in complex systems is co-created and fluid - organisations must shift from simply "serving customer needs" to becoming conscious shapers of society.
👉 Younger generations are increasingly unwilling to invest their life force into organisations that prioritise profit over planetary purpose and human well-being.
👉 Leadership requires working with, not eliminating, conflict.
👉 Escaping cognitive mindtraps (like certainty, control, or simple stories) is essential for leaders navigating complexity and change.
👉 In complexity, defining and enacting value is a collective, recursive process - it’s shaped by individuals, teams, and ecosystems in continuous dialogue.
👉 Purpose in complexity-friendly organisations must be lived and systemic, not just performative; it's about genuine social contracts and ecosystem stewardship.
👉 True systemic change begins with slowing down, listening differently, and allowing space for emergence.

Topics /chapters
(00:00) 00:00 Leadership in Complexity: Purpose, Failure & Conflict - intro
(01:55) Introducing Jennifer Garvey Berger
(03:45) The Polarities in Leadership
(06:48) A new mindset at the Leadership Level
(08:54) Personal Pattern and Complex Ecosystems
(13:03) Operationalising individual and collective patterns
(16:49) The boundaries of leadership in an organization
(19:05) The “How” and the “What” to Addressing Complexity
(25:21) Organizational Readiness for Handling Complexity
(28:08) Are Purpose-Driven Markets the Future?
(42:37) Breadcrumbs and Suggestions

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Episode recorded on Jun 03, 2025

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#123 - Leadership in Complexity: Purpose, Failure & Conflict with Jennifer Garvey Berger

In this powerful episode, we sit down with Pankaj Singh—visionary founder, executive coach, and author of Circle Up—to explore how leaders and everyday individuals alike can overcome loneliness, emotional burnout, and disconnection by building intentional support circles. Drawing from decades of mindful practice and his own leadership journey, Singh unpacks the seven transformative relationship roles within his Compass Circle framework.

Listeners will gain actionable tools for reflection, micro-journaling, and emotional repair—plus scripts to rekindle broken relationships, cultivate trust, and find clarity in times of uncertainty. This isn’t just about leadership—it’s about human connection in a digitally distracted world.

What Listeners Will Learn
-Why loneliness persists in a hyper-connected world
-How to identify and build your intentional Compass Circle
-The emotional cost of vague support vs. defined roles
-The science behind micro-practices and mindfulness in leadership
-Tools for repairing frayed relationships with empathy and intention
-How to balance high performance with well-being

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Podcast 1225: Circle Up: Building Intentional Relationships That Heal, Empower, and Transform

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Welcome to the Never Stop Getting Better Podcast, where we dive deep into personal and professional growth strategies to help you reach your fullest potential. In each episode, host John Perry explores topics ranging from leadership and productivity to mindset and self-improvement, featuring insightful interviews with experts and thought leaders.

If you have any suggestions, questions, or feedback, don't hesitate to email John Perry at johnperry@neverstopgettingbetter.net. You can also go to the website neverstopgettingbetter.net

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Jill Phillips, an Executive Leadership and Business Coach and the visionary founder of Strategic Soulutions. With over two decades of experience, Jill blends transformational psychology, high-performance habits, and foundational business strategy to help leaders break through chaos and stress into clarity and ease.

She’s a certified EOS Implementer, a Board Certified Hypnotherapist, and the only Professional EOS Implementer in southwest Missouri. Her holistic approach empowers CEOs, entrepreneurs, and high-performing leaders to scale their businesses, build cohesive teams, and lead with authenticity—mind, body, soul, and strategy.

Whether she’s coaching 1:1, leading mastermind groups, or captivating audiences on stage, Jill brings real, actionable insight that transforms how people lead and live. Get ready to elevate your leadership and unlock the life and business you were designed to build.

213: Leading with Strategy and Soul: The Jill Phillips Method

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Episode 224: Week 7 Leadership Series: Do Your Job

Discover how a strong mindset fuels entrepreneurial success as Randall Randy Konsker shares insights on resilience, leadership, and growth. Learn why mindset matters more than ever in today’s fast-paced business world and how to harness its true power. Visit here: https://randallrandykonskerus.tumblr.com/post/788388874343825408/randall-randy-konsker-entrepreneurs-turn-problems


Randall Randy Konsker Talks About the Power of Entrepreneur Mindset

Discover the future of sales recruitment in 2025 with expert insights on adaptability, emotional intelligence, and data-driven hiring. In this episode, Craig Emslie shares practical strategies every recruiter needs to build stronger teams, scale faster, and drive business growth. Visit here: https://craigemslie.journoportfolio.com/


Craig Emslie Talks About Skills Every Sales Recruiter Needs In 2025

Change is never easy, but it’s always possible. In this episode, Dr. Vasilis Mazarakis – Certified Life Coach, PhD in Performance Psychology, and former Olympic athlete – shares powerful insights on how to embrace transformation in your life and career.

Drawing from his journey as an athlete, world traveler, and coach, Vasilis brings a science-backed yet deeply personal approach to helping you break free from old patterns and step into the best version of yourself. Whether you’re seeking personal growth, greater clarity, or stronger leadership skills, this episode will inspire you to see change not as a challenge, but as an opportunity.

If you’re asking yourself “Am I really ready for change?”, this conversation will give you the mindset, tools, and motivation to start.

👉 Tune in, reflect, and begin your own metamorphosis.


Are You Ready for Change – With Vasilis Mazarakis

In this inspiring podcast, we dive into the power of mentorship in business. Midway, Eric Tippetts shares his experiences, revealing how mentors shape success, fuel innovation, and guide entrepreneurs through challenges while building confidence and growth-driven leadership. Visit here: https://erictippettsoffici.wixsite.com/erictippetts/


Eric Tippetts Talks About The Power Of Mentorship In Business

Dr. Howard Friedman and Akshay Swaminathan present key insights from their award-winning book, Winning with Data Science: A Handbook for Business Leaders.

Whether you’re an MBA graduate or a Fortune 500 project manager, data science is vital to your career. Winning with Data Science offers a practical, jargon-free guide to working effectively with data science teams. Through engaging stories and clear explanations, Howard Steven Friedman and Akshay Swaminathan show how to manage projects, ask the right questions, and unlock real business value. A must-read for anyone collaborating with data scientists.

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Winning with Data Science: Practical Strategies for Leaders

In this episode, Hamilton Lindley discusses how organizations can build a culture of trust and accountability. He explains practical ways to lead with integrity, encourage ownership, and promote open communication. By fostering trust and accountability, teams become more motivated, responsible, and high-performing, creating a positive workplace where everyone feels valued and empowered to do their best.

Hamilton Lindley Discusses Building a Culture of Trust and Accountability

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