In the very first episode of Then What?, host Patti Feeney sits down with longtime colleague and friend Anna Rogers for a vulnerable, real, and refreshingly honest conversation about identity, uncertainty, and what happens when you realize… you don’t actually know who you are.
In this episode, we explore…
What it's like to sit in a room where everyone else seems sure of themselves and you are . . . well . . . not.


How the Enneagram sparked a surprising self-exploration.
The importance of finding someone in your life who doesn’t give answers but asks the right questions.
Why we avoid conflict, and how facing it head-on becomes the path to growth.
What it means to grieve transitions that don’t involve death.
And how sometimes the best “Then What?” is … nothing. Just being still.
Whether you are in the middle of a transition or reflecting on one long past, this conversation is full of wisdom, warmth, and one very relatable Sex and the City binge.

Additional Resources:

The Enneagram
Curious about the personality framework Anna referenced? The Enneagram is a powerful tool for self-awareness and understanding how we show up in the world—especially in times of change. To learn more about the Enneagram, here are some additional resources:
The Enneagram Institute
https://www.narrativeenneagram.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/The-Enneagram-and-the-Nine-Types-Guide-2021.pdf

Personal Growth & Self-Discovery with Pat Howley
Anna talked about working with someone who did not give her answers but helped her ask the right questions. Pat Howley (who also happens to be my Dad, is primarily a personal growth facilitator. His main interest and training experiences have been focused on adult development. He has studied extensively a development process called the Enneagram; received certification in the use of the Myers-Briggs Type Indicator and Carol Pearson's The Pearson-Marr Archetype. To learn more about Pat and the work he does, visit his website: integralschoolhouse.net
And listen to one of my previous podcasts when my Lisa Leary and I had him on as a guest; The Genuine Leader Podcast https://soundcloud.com/the-genuine-leader/episode-5-part-1-of-the-mindful-leader-with-special-guest-pat-howley

Episode 1 The Power of Not Knowing: Anna Rogers on Identity, Growth, and Sitting in the Mess

Then What? Conversations with Patti Feeney
(formerly The Genuine Leader Podcast)

Life throws curveballs. Plans fall apart. Careers shift. Grief happens. And in those awkward, uncertain spaces—between what was and what will be—we’re left asking… Then what?

Join leadership coach and writer Patti Feeney for real conversations about navigating change, rediscovering meaning, and laughing (sometimes crying) through the messy middle. Each episode brings soulful storytelling, honest wisdom, and gritty inspiration.

Whether you are a leader in transition, a professional at a crossroads, or simply a human trying to figure things out, this podcast is your space to feel seen, supported, and a little less alone.

New name, same heart.

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