In this installment, Zen Buddhist monk Brother Phap Huu and leadership coach/journalist Jo Confino discuss the Noble Eightfold Path, a fundamental teaching that was emphasized by the Buddha. The eight elements of the path are: right view, right thinking, right speech, right action, right livelihood, right diligence, right mindfulness, and right concentration. 

The hosts focus on each element and explain their interconnectedness and how they form a comprehensive approach to self-discovery, personal transformation, and spiritual development. Jo and Brother Phap Huu also emphasise the importance of making the Noble Eightfold Path relevant, accessible, and applicable to contemporary challenges and needs, and the role of Plum Village community in adapting these teachings.

The episode ends with a short meditation guided by Brother Phap Huu.

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🔔 The Way Out Is In: The Zen Art of Living is a podcast series mirroring Zen Master Thich Nhat Hanh’s deep teachings of Buddhist philosophy: a simple yet profound methodology for dealing with our suffering, and for creating more happiness and joy in our lives. 🔔

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The podcast is co-produced by the Plum Village App:
https://plumvillage.app/
And Global Optimism:
https://globaloptimism.com/
With support from the Thich Nhat Hanh Foundation: 
https://thichnhathanhfoundation.org/ 

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🎧 Listen to the podcast on the (completely free) Plum Village App ➛ https://link.plumvillage.app/17zd and other streaming services.

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Resources:

Plum Village Community ➛ https://plumvillage.org
🎙️ Brother Phap Huu ➛ https://plumvillage.org/people/dharma-teachers/br-phap-huu
🎙️ Jo Confino ➛ https://www.instagram.com/joconfino/?hl=en

Interbeing ➛ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interbeing
Dhyana in Buddhism ➛ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dhyana_in_Buddhism 
The Bodhi Tree ➛ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bodhi_tree 
Dharma Talks: ‘Right Livelihood and True Love’ ➛ https://plumvillage.org/library/dharma-talks/right-livelihood-and-true-love 
51 Mental Formations ➛ https://plumvillage.org/transcriptions/51-mental-formation 
The Way Out Is In: ‘Taming Our Survival Instinct (Episode #65)’ ➛ https://plumvillage.org/podcast/taming-our-survival-instinct-episode-65 
Sister Lang Nghiem ➛ https://plumvillage.org/people/dharma-teachers/sr-lang-nghiem 
Sister True Dedication ➛ https://www.instagram.com/sistertruededication/  
Brother Phap Ung ➛ https://plumvillage.org/people/dharma-teachers/brother-chan-phap-ung 
The Five Mindfulness Trainings ➛ https://plumvillage.org/mindfulness/the-5-mindfulness-trainings 
The Fourteen Mindfulness Trainings ➛ https://plumvillage.org/mindfulness/the-14-mindfulness-trainings 
Old Path White Clouds ➛ https://plumvillage.org/books/old-path-white-clouds-2 



The Noble Eightfold Path | TWOII podcast | Episode 87

In this installment, Zen Buddhist monk Brother Phap Huu and leadership coach/journalist Jo Confino discuss one of the Buddha's key teachings: the four immeasurable minds. When cultivated, these four qualities - love, compassion, joy, and equanimity - can help heal negative emotions and lead to a more fulfilling, compassionate life. 

Both hosts share personal stories and insights about how to apply these teachings, and how to help transform suffering and cultivate a deeper understanding and connection with ourselves and those around us. They emphasize the importance of self-love, deep listening, and embracing interbeing, as well as the power of small acts of kindness, the role of playfulness, the wisdom of non-discrimination in leading a more fulfilling life, and more.

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🔔 The Way Out Is In: The Zen Art of Living is a podcast series mirroring Zen Master Thich Nhat Hanh’s deep teachings of Buddhist philosophy: a simple yet profound methodology for dealing with our suffering, and for creating more happiness and joy in our lives. 🔔

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The podcast is co-produced by the Plum Village App:
https://plumvillage.app/
And Global Optimism:
https://globaloptimism.com/
With support from the Thich Nhat Hanh Foundation: 
https://thichnhathanhfoundation.org/ 

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🎧 Listen to the podcast on the (completely free) Plum Village App ➛ https://link.plumvillage.app/HaqE and other streaming services.

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Resources:

Plum Village Community ➛ https://plumvillage.org
🎙️ Brother Phap Huu ➛ https://plumvillage.org/people/dharma-teachers/br-phap-huu
🎙️ Jo Confino ➛ https://www.instagram.com/joconfino/?hl=en

Interbeing ➛ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interbeing
Donate to support Plum Village's reconstruction ➛ https://plumvillage.org/donate
The Four Immeasurable Minds ➛ https://tnhaudio.org/tag/four-immeasurable-minds/ 
Dharma Talk: ‘The Four Immeasurable Minds - The Four Elements of True Love’ with Sister Dieu Nghiem (Sister Jina) ➛ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKXJIdhJJHo 
Brahmavihara ➛ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brahmavihara 
Sariputra ➛ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C5%9A%C4%81riputra 
Sister Chan Khong ➛ https://plumvillage.org/about/sister-chan-khong
Maitri ➛ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maitr%C4%AB 
Order of Interbeing ➛ https://orderofinterbeing.org/ 
Trevor Noah ➛ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trevor_Noah
‘Listening to Namo Avalokiteshvara’ ➛ https://plumvillage.app/listening-to-namo-avalokiteshvara/ 
Upeksha ➛ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Upeksha_(Indian_thought)


The Four Immeasurable Minds | TWOII podcast | Episode 88

In this installment, Zen Buddhist monk Brother Phap Huu and leadership coach/journalist Jo Confino look at one of the foundational teachings of Buddhism: the Three Jewels - the Buddha, the Dharma, and the Sangha. The Buddha is the teacher who, through his own direct experience, found the path to liberation from suffering. The Dharma refers to the teachings and practices that lead to awakening. The Sangha is the community that supports and transmits the Dharma.

Their conversation emphasizes the Sangha’s importance as the community that keeps the Buddha's teachings alive and relevant; the need for communities rooted in the Dharma, with clear practices and guidelines to provide refuge and support spiritual transformation; and more.

As usual, the hosts provide examples from their own experiences, as well as stories by or involving Thich Nhat Hanh. 

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🔔 The Way Out Is In: The Zen Art of Living is a podcast series mirroring Zen Master Thich Nhat Hanh’s deep teachings of Buddhist philosophy: a simple yet profound methodology for dealing with our suffering, and for creating more happiness and joy in our lives. 🔔

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The podcast is co-produced by the Plum Village App:
https://plumvillage.app/
And Global Optimism:
https://globaloptimism.com/
With support from the Thich Nhat Hanh Foundation: 
https://thichnhathanhfoundation.org/ 

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🎧 Listen to the podcast on the (completely free) Plum Village App ➛ https://link.plumvillage.app/Fnke and other streaming services.

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Resources:

Plum Village Community ➛ https://plumvillage.org
🎙️ Brother Phap Huu ➛ https://plumvillage.org/people/dharma-teachers/br-phap-huu
🎙️ Jo Confino ➛ https://www.instagram.com/joconfino/?hl=en

Interbeing ➛ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interbeing
Donate to support Plum Village's reconstruction ➛ https://plumvillage.org/donate 
Sister Chan Khong ➛ https://plumvillage.org/about/sister-chan-khong
Sister Chan Duc ➛ https://plumvillage.org/people/dharma-teachers/sr-chan-duc 
Fragrant Palm Leaves: Journals 1962-1966 ➛ https://plumvillage.org/books/1998-neo-ve-cua-y-fragrant-palm-leaves 
Nalanda mahavihara ➛ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nalanda_mahavihara 
Buddhahood ➛ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhahood 
Dharma Talks: ‘The Five Skandhas of Grasping and Non-Self​’ ➛ https://plumvillage.org/library/dharma-talks/the-five-skandhas-of-grasping-and-non-self%E2%80%8B-dharma-talk-by-br-phap-lai-2018-06-08 
Old Path White Clouds ➛ https://plumvillage.org/books/old-path-white-clouds-2 
‘The Fourteen Mindfulness Trainings’ ➛ https://plumvillage.org/mindfulness/the-14-mindfulness-trainings 
Wake Up Network ➛ https://plumvillage.org/community/wake-up-young-practitioners 
Vinaya ➛ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vinaya 
The Hermit and the Well ➛ https://plumvillage.org/books/hermit-and-the-well

The Three Jewels | TWOII podcast | Episode 89

In this installment, Zen Buddhist monk Brother Phap Huu and leadership coach/journalist Jo Confino are joined by Nho Tran, a nun in the Plum Village tradition for 17 years now continuing her spiritual journey as a layperson. 

Together, they explore the profound importance of spiritual friendship in the Buddhist tradition, while Brother Phap Huu and Nho reflect on the personal journey of their decades-long friendship. They discuss the teachings of Thich Nhat Hanh on the centrality of community and togetherness in cultivating joy, stability, and liberation; the challenges and growth experienced through friendship; and the importance of deep listening and being present for one another, which allows for vulnerability, honesty, and the freedom to be one's authentic self. 

Bio

Nho Tran is a scholar, facilitator, and former Buddhist nun in the Plum Village tradition of Zen Master Thich Nhat Hanh. She spent many years living and practicing in monastic communities across Asia, Europe, and North America, where she cultivated a deep commitment to interbeing, cultural resilience, and the art of mindful living.

Nho’s work sits at the intersection of conflict transformation, ethics, and systems thinking. Drawing on her monastic formation and experience across diverse sectors, she supports individuals and communities in navigating difficult conversations, fostering cultural change, and reimagining leadership grounded in compassion and collective wisdom. 

She holds a joint degree in Cognitive Neuroscience and Religion from the University of Southern California, a Master of Divinity from Harvard Divinity School, and an MA from Harvard University. She is currently a PhD candidate at Harvard’s Graduate School of Arts and Sciences, where her research explores the intersections of religion, ethics, governance, and Vietnamese Buddhist history.

Nho teaches negotiation, ethics, and conflict resolution at Harvard, and continues to serve as a bridge between contemplative practice and social transformation.

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🔔 The Way Out Is In: The Zen Art of Living is a podcast series mirroring Zen Master Thich Nhat Hanh’s deep teachings of Buddhist philosophy: a simple yet profound methodology for dealing with our suffering, and for creating more happiness and joy in our lives. 🔔

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The podcast is co-produced by the Plum Village App:
https://plumvillage.app/
And Global Optimism:
https://globaloptimism.com/
With support from the Thich Nhat Hanh Foundation: 
https://thichnhathanhfoundation.org/ 

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🎧 Listen to the podcast on the (completely free) Plum Village App ➛ https://link.plumvillage.app/ds8J and other streaming services.

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Resources:

Plum Village Community ➛ https://plumvillage.org
🎙️ Nho Tran ➛ https://www.instagram.com/hello.nho
🎙️ Brother Phap Huu ➛ https://plumvillage.org/people/dharma-teachers/br-phap-huu
🎙️ Jo Confino ➛ https://www.instagram.com/joconfino/?hl=en

🎙️ Live show: The Way Out Is In podcast with special guest Ocean Vuong ➛ https://tickets.plumvillage.uk/events/zen/1682673 

Donate to support Plum Village's reconstruction ➛ https://plumvillage.org/donate 
Interbeing ➛ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interbeing
Ocean Vuong ➛ https://www.oceanvuong.com/ 
Ānanda ➛ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C4%80nanda 
Pali Canon ➛ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pali_Canon 
The Three Marks of Existence ➛ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_marks_of_existence 
The Miracle of Mindfulness ➛ https://plumvillage.shop/products/books/personal-growth-and-self-care/the-miracle-of-mindfulness-2/ 
Mara ➛ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mara_(demon) 
Brother Spirit ➛ https://plumvillage.org/people/dharma-teachers/brother-phap-linh 
Thich Nhat Hanh: Redefining the Four Noble Truths ➛ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eARDko51Xdw 
Maitreya ➛ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maitreya


Spiritual Friendships | TWOII podcast | Episode 90

Dear friends, in memory of Joanna Macy, who passed away on July 19th, we are republishing episode 12 of The Way Out Is In podcast series, with an introduction by Jo Confino.

A scholar of Buddhism, systems theory, and deep ecology, Joanna Macy (1929 -2025), PhD, was one of the most respected voices in the movements for peace, justice, and ecology. She interweaved her scholarship with learnings from six decades of activism, had written twelve books, and laught an empowerment approach known as the Work That Reconnects. 

In episode 12 (November, 2021), presenters Zen Buddhist monk Brother Phap Huu and lay Buddhist practitioner and journalist Jo Confino were joined by Joanna Macy to discuss the relevance of Thich Nhat Hanh’s teachings to the crises we face today as a species; the energy of simplicity; truth-telling and the power of facing the truth; the grounds for transformation; impermanence; interbeing. 

Joanna recollects what Thich Nhat Hanh’s teachings and activism have meant to her, and shares a special meeting with him in the early 1980s, during a UN peace conference, when Thay read one of his essential poems in public for the first time. Joanna’s activism, forged during many campaigns, and her practice and study of Theravada Buddhism, shine through in her priceless advice about facing the current social and ecological crisis, grieving for all creation, and finding the power to deal with the heartbreaking present-day reality. She also addresses how grief and joy can coexist in one person, and how to be present for life even in the midst of struggle.

The episode ends with a guided meditation by Joanna Macy.

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🔔 The Way Out Is In: The Zen Art of Living is a podcast series mirroring Zen Master Thich Nhat Hanh’s deep teachings of Buddhist philosophy: a simple yet profound methodology for dealing with our suffering, and for creating more happiness and joy in our lives. 🔔

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The podcast is co-produced by the Plum Village App:
https://plumvillage.app/
And Global Optimism:
https://globaloptimism.com/
With support from the Thich Nhat Hanh Foundation: 
https://thichnhathanhfoundation.org/ 

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Resources:

Plum Village Community ➛ https://plumvillage.org/
Thich Nhat Hanh ➛ https://plumvillage.org/about/thich-nhat-hanh/
🎙️ Joanna Macy ➛ https://www.joannamacy.net/
🎙️ Brother Phap Huu ➛  https://plumvillage.org/people/dharma-teachers/br-phap-huu/
🎙️ Jo Confino ➛  https://www.instagram.com/joconfino/?hl=en

Lotus in a Sea of Fire (1967) ➛ https://plumvillage.org/books/1967-hoa-sen-trong-bien-lua-lotus-in-a-sea-of-fire/
Call Me By My True Names ➛  https://plumvillage.org/books/call-me-by-my-true-names/
Celestial Bodhisattvas ➛  https://www.encyclopedia.com/environment/encyclopedias-almanacs-transcripts-and-maps/buddhas-and-bodhisattvas-celestial-buddhas-and-bodhisattvas
Rainer Maria Rilke ➛  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rainer_Maria_Rilke 
Duino Elegies ➛  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duino_Elegies 
The Tenth Elegy ➛ https://www.tellthestory.co.uk/translatedpoemduino10.html 
The Book of Hours ➛  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Book_of_Hours 
Satipaṭṭhāna ➛ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satipatthana 
World as Lover, World as Self ➛  https://www.parallax.org/product/world-as-lover-world-as-self-a-guide-to-living-fully-in-turbulent-times/
‘The Shambhala Warrior’ ➛  https://www.awakin.org/read/view.php?tid=236 
The Shambhala Warrior Prophecy ➛ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14dbM93FALE 
Bardo ➛ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bardo 
‘Entering the Bardo’ ➛ https://emergencemagazine.org/op_ed/entering-the-bardo/ 
Maitreya ➛ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maitreya 
Ho Chi Minh ➛ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ho_Chi_Minh
Śūnyatā ➛ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C5%9A%C5%ABnyat%C4%81
Svabhava ➛ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Svabhava
Kṣitigarbha ➛ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K%E1%B9%A3itigarbha 
Ānāpānasati ➛ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anapanasati 
Satipaṭṭhāna ➛ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satipatthana

Special Edition: Joanna Macy's Message of Hope | TWOII podcast

In this installment, Zen Buddhist monk Brother Phap Huu and leadership coach/journalist Jo Confino are joined by Nho Tran, who, after 17 years as a nun in the Plum Village tradition, is now continuing her spiritual journey as a layperson. 

Together, they explore the origins and evolution of the Plum Village tradition: the Buddhist lineage founded by Zen Master Thich Nhat Hanh. Thay worked to restore and renew Vietnamese Buddhism, integrating its rich history and diverse influences while increasing the teachings' accessibility and relevance to the modern world.

The participants describe Thay's openness to adapting practices to different communities' needs, while maintaining the tradition’s core principles and lineage. The conversation highlights the importance of understanding one's roots and cultural heritage, and of the flexibility to evolve and innovate within a spiritual tradition, and how these principles led to Thay's vision of engaged Buddhism, which seeks to address societal issues and cultivate both inner and outer peace. 

Bio: Nho Tran is a scholar, facilitator, and former Buddhist nun in the Plum Village tradition of Zen Master Thich Nhat Hanh. For many years, she lived and practiced in monastic communities across Asia, Europe, and North America, where she cultivated a deep commitment to interbeing, cultural resilience, and the art of mindful living. She holds a joint degree in Cognitive Neuroscience and Religion from the University of Southern California, a Master of Divinity from Harvard Divinity School, & an MA from Harvard University. She is currently a PhD candidate at Harvard’s Graduate School of Arts and Sciences, where her research explores the intersections of religion, ethics, governance, and Vietnamese Buddhist history.

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🔔 The Way Out Is In: The Zen Art of Living is a podcast series mirroring Zen Master Thich Nhat Hanh’s deep teachings of Buddhist philosophy: a simple yet profound methodology for dealing with our suffering, and for creating more happiness and joy in our lives. 🔔

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The podcast is co-produced by the Plum Village App:
https://plumvillage.app/
And Global Optimism:
https://globaloptimism.com/
With support from the Thich Nhat Hanh Foundation: 
https://thichnhathanhfoundation.org/ 

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Resources:

Plum Village Community ➛ https://plumvillage.org
🎙️ Nho Tran ➛ https://www.instagram.com/hello.nho
🎙️ Brother Phap Huu ➛ https://plumvillage.org/people/dharma-teachers/br-phap-huu
🎙️ Jo Confino ➛ https://www.instagram.com/joconfino/?hl=en

🎙️ Live show: The Way Out Is In podcast with special guest Ocean Vuong ➛ https://tickets.plumvillage.uk/events/zen/1682673 

Donate to support Plum Village's reconstruction ➛ https://plumvillage.org/donate 
Interbeing ➛ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interbeing
James Baldwin ➛ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Baldwin 
Dharma Talks: ‘Redefining the Four Noble Truths’ ➛ https://plumvillage.org/library/dharma-talks/redefining-the-four-noble-truths 
Thich Nhat Hanh: Redefining the Four Noble Truths ➛ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eARDko51Xdw 
‘The Four Dharma Seals of Plum Village’ ➛ https://plumvillage.org/articles/the-four-dharma-seals-of-plum-village 
Theravada ➛ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theravada 
Mahayana ➛ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahayana 
Champa ➛ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Champa 
Vajrayana ➛ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vajrayana 
Prajnaparamita ➛ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prajnaparamita 
Dhyana ➛ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dhyana_in_Buddhism 
Linji ➛ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linji_school   
Pearl S. Buck ➛ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pearl_S._Buck 
‘Please Call Me By My True Name’ ➛ https://plumvillage.org/articles/please-call-me-by-my-true-names-song-poem

Roots and Renewal | TWOII podcast | Episode 91

In this installment, Zen Buddhist monk Brother Phap Huu and leadership coach/journalist Jo Confino are joined by special guest Jo-ann Rosen. Together, they discuss individual and collective trauma and how mindfulness and neuroscience can help address it. The conversation further explores the concepts of current and historical trauma, how the nervous system can become overwhelmed by modern stresses, the courage required to be vulnerable and honest about our suffering, how this can lead to deeper connections and understanding within a community - and more.

Jo-ann, a psychotherapist with expertise in trauma and mindfulness, shares her personal journey of discovering the Plum Village tradition and how it has informed her understanding of trauma. She emphasizes the importance of collective healing, drawing from her work with marginalized communities and the power of creating safe spaces for people to share their experiences and find support in each other.

Brother Phap Huu also shares his experiences of supporting the Plum Village monastic community and retreatants in cultivating stability and healing through mindfulness practices. 

Bio: Dharma Teacher Jo-ann Rosen, True River of Understanding, Chan Tue Ha (pronouns she/her), received the Lamp of Wisdom (symbolizing the transmission of Dharma from Zen Master to disciple) and authorization to teach from Thich Nhat Hanh in 2012. She practices with the EMBRACE and Victoria Sanghas, is a licensed marriage and family therapist, and teaches and lectures internationally, focusing on inner stability and community resiliency. Her writings center on a neuroscience-informed and trauma-sensitive approach to individual practice and collective awakening. She lives with her partner of 40 years in the oak woodlands of Northern California, US. 

Photo by Leslie Kirkpatrick

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🔔 The Way Out Is In: The Zen Art of Living is a podcast series mirroring Zen Master Thich Nhat Hanh’s deep teachings of Buddhist philosophy: a simple yet profound methodology for dealing with our suffering, and for creating more happiness and joy in our lives. 🔔

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The podcast is co-produced by the Plum Village App:
https://plumvillage.app/
And Global Optimism:
https://globaloptimism.com/
With support from the Thich Nhat Hanh Foundation: 
https://thichnhathanhfoundation.org/ 

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🎧 Listen to the podcast on the (completely free) Plum Village App ➛ https://shorturl.at/QIQzc and other streaming services.

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Resources:

Plum Village Community ➛ https://plumvillage.org
🎙️ Jo-ann Rosen ➛ https://www.parallax.org/authors/jo-ann-rosen/
🎙️ Brother Phap Huu ➛ https://plumvillage.org/people/dharma-teachers/br-phap-huu
🎙️ Jo Confino ➛ https://www.instagram.com/joconfino/?hl=en

🎙️ Live show: The Way Out Is In podcast with special guest Ocean Vuong ➛ https://tickets.plumvillage.uk/events/zen/1682673 

Embrace Sangha ➛ https://www.embracesangha.org/ 
Unshakeable: Trauma-Informed Mindfulness for Collective Awakening ➛
https://www.parallax.org/product/unshakeable
Plum Village App ➛ Meditations ➛ Trauma Informed Practice ➛ https://plumvillage.app/
Interbeing ➛ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interbeing 
The Miracle of Mindfulness ➛ https://plumvillage.shop/products/books/personal-growth-and-self-care/the-miracle-of-mindfulness-2 
Dharma Talks: ‘Redefining the Four Noble Truths’ ➛ https://plumvillage.org/library/dharma-talks/redefining-the-four-noble-truths 
Thich Nhat Hanh: Redefining the Four Noble Truths ➛ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eARDko51Xdw 
‘The Four Dharma Seals of Plum Village’ ➛ https://plumvillage.org/articles/the-four-dharma-seals-of-plum-village

Trauma and Collective Healing | TWOII podcast | Episode 92

In this installment, Zen Buddhist monk Brother Phap Huu and leadership coach/journalist Jo Confino explore the art of transmission in Buddhism: wisdom and teachings being passed down over time, from teacher to student. 

The hosts touch on the profound and nuanced ways in which Buddhist teachings and insights are passed down through generations, with the goal of cultivating understanding, compassion, and liberation; the role of nature as a powerful transmitter of wisdom; the significance of rituals and ceremonies in honoring this transmission; and more.

Brother Phap Huu emphasizes the importance of deep listening, humility, and direct experience in the transmission process, and how true transmission goes beyond the imparting of knowledge, to a requirement that both teacher and student be in a state of non-self and openness to receive the teachings. 

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🔔 The Way Out Is In: The Zen Art of Living is a podcast series mirroring Zen Master Thich Nhat Hanh’s deep teachings of Buddhist philosophy: a simple yet profound methodology for dealing with our suffering, and for creating more happiness and joy in our lives. 🔔

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The podcast is co-produced by the Plum Village App:
https://plumvillage.app/
And Global Optimism:
https://globaloptimism.com/
With support from the Thich Nhat Hanh Foundation: 
https://thichnhathanhfoundation.org/ 

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🎧 Listen to the podcast on the (completely free) Plum Village App ➛ https://shorturl.at/NNUxe and other streaming services.

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Resources:

Plum Village Community ➛ https://plumvillage.org
🎙️ Brother Phap Huu ➛ https://plumvillage.org/people/dharma-teachers/br-phap-huu
🎙️ Jo Confino ➛ https://www.instagram.com/joconfino/?hl=en

🎙️ Live show: The Way Out Is In podcast with special guest Ocean Vuong ➛ https://tickets.plumvillage.uk/events/zen/1682673 

Interbeing ➛ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interbeing  
Album: A Cloud Never Dies ➛ https://plumvillage.org/album-a-cloud-never-dies 
Dharma Talk: ‘The Five Powers: Faith, Diligence, Mindfulness, Concentration, Insight - Brother Phap Huu’ ➛ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4PGrMjea7A 
Dharma Talks: ‘Redefining the Four Noble Truths’ ➛ https://plumvillage.org/library/dharma-talks/redefining-the-four-noble-truths 
Thich Nhat Hanh: Redefining the Four Noble Truths ➛ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eARDko51Xdw 
‘The Four Dharma Seals of Plum Village’ ➛ https://plumvillage.org/articles/the-four-dharma-seals-of-plum-village
The Way Out Is In: ‘Feel It to Heal It: The Dharma of Music (Episode #79)’ ➛ https://plumvillage.org/podcast/feel-it-to-heal-it-the-dharma-of-music-episode-79 
Dharma Talks: ‘Redefining the Four Noble Truths’ ➛ https://plumvillage.org/library/dharma-talks/redefining-the-four-noble-truths

The Art of Transmission | TWOII podcast | Episode 93

This week, we are delighted to share an episode of the 10% Happier podcast, which is hosted by bestselling author Dan Harris and features world-class insights and practices from experts in modern science and ancient wisdom. 

Dan’s guest, for the second time, is Zen Buddhist monk and Way Out Is In co-host Brother Phap Huu, who discusses his burnout and how he recovered - and how you can, too.

The episode was recorded during early summer 2025, and first released on July 2nd 2025.

Together, Dan and Brother Phap Huu discuss:
- Why people are busier and more susceptible to overwhelm than ever before 
- Why monastics aren’t immune to burnout
- The way that  busyness is thrust upon us by contemporary lifestyles, but is also a result of us running away from the things we don't want to face
- Practical tools for addressing busyness and burnout 
- Why doing nothing is an art
- The importance of perspective - and how contemplating your mortality can provide this 
- The practice of total relaxation
- How to maintain healthy boundaries without adopting mental armor
- Ways to say no without annoying people
- How to protect ourselves in toxic environments.

And much more.

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🔔 The Way Out Is In: The Zen Art of Living is a podcast series mirroring Zen Master Thich Nhat Hanh’s deep teachings of Buddhist philosophy: a simple yet profound methodology for dealing with our suffering, and for creating more happiness and joy in our lives. 🔔

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The podcast is co-produced by the Plum Village App:
https://plumvillage.app/
And Global Optimism:
https://globaloptimism.com/
With support from the Thich Nhat Hanh Foundation: 
https://thichnhathanhfoundation.org/ 

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🎧 Listen to the podcast on the (completely free) Plum Village App ➛  https://link.plumvillage.app/Tshh and other streaming services.

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Resources:

🎙️ Dan Harris ➛ https://www.danharris.com/
🎙️ Brother Phap Huu ➛ https://plumvillage.org/people/dharma-teachers/br-phap-huu

10% Happier with Dan Harris ➛ https://www.danharris.com/s/10-happier 
Being with Busyness: Zen Ways to Transform Overwhelm and Burnout ➛  https://www.parallax.org/product/being-with-busyness/  
Calm in the Storm: Zen Ways to Cultivate Stability in an Anxious World ➛ https://www.parallax.org/product/calm-in-the-storm/ 
Interbeing ➛ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interbeing 
Brené Brown ➛ https://brenebrown.com/ 
‘Daily Contemplations on Impermanence & Interbeing’ ➛ https://plumvillage.org/daily-contemplations-on-impermanence-interbeing 
‘Recommendation’ (poem) ➛ https://plumvillage.org/articles/recommendation 
Thay's Poetry: ‘Please Call Me by My True Names’ (song and poem) ➛ https://plumvillage.org/articles/please-call-me-by-my-true-names-song-poem

Guest Episode: Buddhist Practices for Busyness, Overwhelm, and Burnout

In this installment, Zen Buddhist monk Brother Phap Huu and leadership coach/journalist Jo Confino explore the importance of silence and its role in personal transformation and spiritual practice. 

They further discuss noble silence in the Plum Village tradition – a fundamental practice that allows for deep reflection, self-awareness, and connection with the present moment; silence as a space that enables practitioners to listen deeply; the challenges of silence; the contrast between the mainstream emphasis on productivity, noise, and external validation, and the Buddhist approach of valuing stillness, presence, and inner listening as a path to true well-being and happiness; silence as a means to engage more deeply with life, rather than as an escape; embodied listening; and more. 

The episode concludes with an invitation to take time for silent reflection and to explore the transformative power of silence in our lives.

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🔔 The Way Out Is In: The Zen Art of Living is a podcast series mirroring Zen Master Thich Nhat Hanh’s deep teachings of Buddhist philosophy: a simple yet profound methodology for dealing with our suffering, and for creating more happiness and joy in our lives. 🔔

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The podcast is co-produced by the Plum Village App:
https://plumvillage.app/
And Global Optimism:
https://globaloptimism.com/
With support from the Thich Nhat Hanh Foundation: 
https://thichnhathanhfoundation.org/ 

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🎧 Listen to the podcast on the (completely FREE) Plum Village App ➛ https://link.plumvillage.app/v7uy and other streaming services.

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Resources:

🎙️ Brother Phap Huu ➛ https://plumvillage.org/people/dharma-teachers/br-phap-huu
🎙️ Jo Confino ➛ https://www.instagram.com/joconfino/?hl=en

Plum Village Community ➛ https://plumvillage.org
Interbeing ➛ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interbeing  
Being with Busyness: Zen Ways to Transform Overwhelm and Burnout ➛ https://www.parallax.org/product/being-with-busyness/  
Calm in the Storm: Zen Ways to Cultivate Stability in an Anxious World ➛ https://www.parallax.org/product/calm-in-the-storm/ 
Buddha Path ➛ https://buddhapath.com/ 
‘The Four Dharma Seals of Plum Village’ ➛ https://plumvillage.org/articles/the-four-dharma-seals-of-plum-village
Brother Spirit ➛ https://plumvillage.org/people/dharma-teachers/brother-phap-linh 
Brother Phap Ung ➛ https://plumvillage.org/people/dharma-teachers/brother-chan-phap-ung 
‘Three Resources Explaining the Plum Village Tradition of Lazy Days’ ➛ https://plumvillage.app/three-resources-explaining-the-plum-village-tradition-of-lazy-days/ 
Tao Te Ching ➛ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tao_Te_Ching 
Bimbisara ➛ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bimbisara 
Devadatta ➛ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devadatta

Silence | TWOII podcast | Episode 94

Plum Village is a new, free mindfulness app with Buddhist insights and guided meditations offered by Zen Master Thich Nhat Hanh and his monastic community: https://plumvillage.app/

New tracks tagged #PlumVillageApp