Lee Cronin and Joscha Bach try to figure out whether the universe is created by computation or computation is created by the universe

Did the universe invent computation or vice versa? A talk with Lee Cronin and Joscha Bach

Joscha Bach, Cognitive Scientist and AI researcher, as well as Anthony Aguirre, UCSC Professor of Physics, join us to explore the world through the lens of computation and the difficulties we face on the way to beneficial futures.

 Topics discussed in this episode include:

-Understanding the universe through digital physics
-How human consciousness operates and is structured
-The path to aligned AGI and bottlenecks to beneficial futures
-Incentive structures and collective coordination

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Timestamps: 

0:00 Intro
3:17 What is truth and knowledge?
11:39 What is subjectivity and objectivity?
14:32 What is the universe ultimately?
19:22 Is the universe a cellular automaton? Is the universe ultimately digital or analogue?
24:05 Hilbert's hotel from the point of view of computation
35:18 Seeing the world as a fractal
38:48 Describing human consciousness
51:10 Meaning, purpose, and harvesting negentropy
55:08 The path to aligned AGI
57:37 Bottlenecks to beneficial futures and existential security
1:06:53 A future with one, several, or many AGI systems? How do we maintain appropriate incentive structures?
1:19:39 Non-duality and collective coordination
1:22:53 What difficulties are there for an idealist worldview that involves computation?
1:27:20 Which features of mind and consciousness are necessarily coupled and which aren't?
1:36:40 Joscha's final thoughts on AGI

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Joscha Bach and Anthony Aguirre on Digital Physics and Moving Towards Beneficial Futures

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All recordings use a combination of ERD modules (caput draconis, all colours, ERD geomantic toolkit and prototype VIA for control), occasional use of Serge slope generators, and with no further processing. The output is recorded on a Zoom H4n Pro always directly from one of the TOAD outputs.

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Track 1. Materialize

Production, Engineering: https://soundcloud.com/computationx
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Vocals: https://soundcloud.com/auxytocin

This track is available now! Pay what you want! :) 

Lyrics: 
Silver skies divide, the onyx horizon. 
Drift on, past the spiring eyes.
We ride without conversation, The little things, They say enough. 
Racing light with speeds that break the lines, when all is right.
We collide, and Materialize... Materialize.

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To top the next Agrio oﬀ, SOLIT goes at it alone on Computation; a heavy hitting dark prog house tune that transports you straight back to a gritty 90’s warehouse rave. A seemingly unstoppable low end is accompanied by crisp sprinkles of gated trance hits, evoking a sense of euphoria and rebellion with every beat.

Out on Agrio Tracks on December 19th

SOLIT - Computation [Agrio Tracks]

Computation did a great remix of Rob Gasser's track from yesteryear and it deserved an upload. <3

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Rob Gasser - Hyperspeed (Computation Remix)

Computation (preview)

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Computation

An ode to the massive tune "Computation" by Dismantle. I loved that tune and wanted to make a more hyped up version for Destroid, here is the result...

Downlink - Activation (Destroid 5)

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