Fwd this interview to Thomas Pynchon. The reason government security policies never change is because the actual government that makes those policies never changes. In his Harvard National Security Journal article National Security and Double Government, Michael J. Glennon explains how a small network of senior officials dictate national security policies, and it turns out you can get a lot done when you don't have to worry about reelection or the constitution. Michael talks with Chuck about how this secret-in-plain-sight system works, who it works for and who can't do anything about it by voting.

Michael J. Glennon is Professor of International Law at the Fletcher School of Law and Diplomacy, Tufts University.

Law scholar Michael J. Glennon reveals the second government behind American surveillance.

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