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Today on The InfoQ Podcast, Wes talks with Joe Beda. Joe is one of the co-creators of Kubernetes. What started in the fall of 2013 with Craig McLuckie, Joe Beda, and Brendan Burns working on cloud infrastructure has become the default orchestrator for cloud native architectures. Today on the show, the two discuss the recent purchase of Heptio by VMWare, the Kubernetes Privilege Escalation Flaw (and the response to it), Kubernetes Enhancement Proposals, the CNCF/organization of Kubernetes, and some of the future hopes for the platform.

Why listen to this podcast:

 - Heptio, the company Joe and Craig McLuckie co-founded, viewed themselves as not a Kubernetes company, but more of a cloud native company. Joining VMWare allowed the company to continue a mission of helping people decouple “moving to cloud/taking advantage of cloud” patterns (regardless of where you’re running).

 - Re:Invent 2017 when EKS was announced was a watershed moment for Kubernetes. It marked a time where enough customers were asking for Kubernetes that the major cloud providers started to offer first-class support.

 - Kubernetes 1.13 included a patch for the Kubernetes Privilege Escalation Flaw Patch. While the flaw was a bad thing, it demonstrated product maturity in the way the community-based security response.

 - Kubernetes has an idea of committees, sigs, and working groups. Security is one of the committees. There were a small group of people who coordinated the security response. From there, trusted sets of vendors validated and test patches. Most of the response is based on how many other open source projects handle security response.

 - Over the last couple of releases, Kubernetes has introduced a Sig Architecture special interest group. It’s an overarching review for changes that sweep across Kubernetes. As part of Sig Architecture, the Kubernetes community has introduced Kubernetes Enhancement Proposal process (or KEPs). It’s a way for people to propose architectural changes to Kubernetes.

 - The goal of the CNCF is to curate and provide support to a set of projects (of which Kubernetes is one). The TOC (Technical Oversight Committee) decides which projects are going to be part of the CNCF and how those projects are supported.

 - Kubernetes was always viewed by the creators as something to be build on. It was never really viewed as the end goal.

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Joe Beda on Kubernetes & the CNCF

Today on the podcast, Bernd Rucker of Camunda talks about event sourcing. In particular, Wes and Bernd discuss thoughts around scalability, events, commands, consensus, and the orchestration engines Camunda implemented. This podcast is a primer on considerations between an RDBMS and event-driven systems. 

Why listen to this podcast:
- An event-driven system is a more modern approach to building highly scalable systems.
- An RDBMS system can limit throughput in scalability. Camunda was able to achieve higher levels of scale by implementing an event-driven system.
- Command and events are often confused. Commands are actions that request something to happen. Events describe something that happened. Confusing the two causes confusion in application development of event-driven systems.

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Event Sourcing: Bernd Rücker on Architecting for Scale

In this podcast, Daniel Bryant sat down with Bryan Liles, senior staff engineer at VMware. Topics covered included: the challenges with deploying applications into Kubernetes, using the open source Octant tool to increase a user’s understanding of Kubernetes clusters, and how “serverless” technologies may influence the future approaches to building software.

Why listen to this podcast:

 - Octant is a highly extensible platform for developers to better understand the complexity of Kubernetes clusters. Octant runs locally, using the local Kubernetes credentials. It currently displays information about a Kubernetes cluster and related applications as a web page. Soon this tool and resulting display will be provided as a standalone application.
 - The goal of Octant is to enable users to discover what they need to discover. The tool aims to provide context relevant to where a user is and what they are trying to achieve. The Octant plugin system allows integration with other tooling, such as logging and metrics frameworks. This aims to facilitate quick problem detection and resolution.
 - Cloud native platforms like Kubernetes are complicated, as there are lots of moving parts. The most important challenge to be tackled to increase the adoption of platforms like Kubernetes is “how do we move code from our IDEs to wherever it needs to run with the least amount of friction?”. Testing needs to be implicit, as does security verification, and the acts of deployment. Kubernetes needs its “Ruby on Rails” moment.
 - Creating “serverless” systems is an interesting approach, but we may currently be using this technology in a non-optimal way. For example, creating web applications using this technology enables scalability, but can lead to the creation of difficult to understand systems that also require a lot of boilerplate configuration. Arguably, a more interesting use case is implementing large-scale batch processing using simple event-driven models.
- The Cloud Native Computing Foundation (CNCF) has created a series of communities of practice called Special Interest Groups (SIGs), such as SIG App Delivery. This allows folks with similar interests to work together as a community, focusing on solving a specific set of well-scoped problems. There are many ways to get involved, from discussions, to coding and creating documentation.

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Bryan Liles on Making Kubernetes Easier for Developers, the CNCF, and “Serverless”

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