"Mindful" is a reflective, soul-deep track that explores what it means to stay grounded in a chaotic world. Blending smooth rhythms with thoughtful lyricism, DJMJK taps into the tension between distraction and clarity — between chaos and calm.

With mellow beats, layered vocals, and a vulnerable undertone, this track speaks to anyone who’s ever felt overwhelmed but chose to breathe through it. It's not just a vibe — it's a reminder to stay present, stay real, and stay mindful.

Perfect for late-night drives, morning journaling, or whenever you need to reconnect.

Mindful

Roy Barsness returns to the show to discuss his new book, which establishes a psychodynamic model of clinical supervision. Steeped in relational psychoanalytic values, this approach offers not only a new way of thinking about supervision, but also a recapitulation of how this theory informs practice in the treatment room—and life in general. By considering each case a muse for both therapist and supervisor, Barsness invites emergent subjectivities into each relationship. Supervision becomes the framework for a path of encounter, with contemporary figures such as Mitchell and Benjamin lighting the way. Roy emphasizes the personal journey of the therapist as crucial to this modality, while Mason reflects with John on his own journey home and the persistent question of to whom we truly belong.



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Music by Mason Neely
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Episode 56: Reclaiming the Relational

"On the next Insight Bible chat show, I’m joined by Pastor Paul Pearson, and we’ll be chatting about discipleship. Discipleship is relational. Firstly, a relationship with God - becoming more like Christ and secondly, a relationship with other people. When we share the gospel with others, we, ourselves, are being discipled."

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IN#7 INSIGHT with Paul Pearson - Discipleship Prt 1 - It's Relational

Tony Bass is less concerned with building psychological metatheories than with how theory comes alive in the consulting room. From the earliest days of the Relational movement, he worked alongside Stephen Mitchell and others to shape a vision of treatment grounded in mutual influence, drawing inspiration from Ferenczi’s dialogue of unconsciouses—an approach Bass experiences as intuitive and “not so meta.” But whose unconscious is it, anyway? For Tony, the analytic encounter always points to interplay: between patient and analyst, healer and healed. In his view, psychotherapy is not the application of a fixed model but an ongoing improvisation, in which each subjectivity becomes instrumental to the unfolding of new meanings and unexpected revelations of both similarity and difference. 



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Music by Mason Neely
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Episode 57: What's Mine Is Yours

Sue Grand joins us for a conversation about hatred and totalitarianism. A psychoanalyst who has spent decades studying trauma and the ways evil reproduces across history, Grand is interested in how introspection might protect us and others from our own perpetrator fragments. She challenges the assumption that traumatized people victimize others—most do not. The regeneration of harm, she argues, arises from a complex interplay between psychological defenses and social structures such as gender binaries and racialization. But how do everyday people get caught up in the fevered swell of fascist times? Can psychotherapy be antifascist? Grand examines the erotic lure of fascism, while John and Mason explore Deleuze and Guattari’s provocative claim that, on some level, we all desire it.


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Episode 58: This Machine Kills Fascism

Lara Sheehi was doing her job as a professor of clinical psychology when her criticism of Israel catapulted her into uninvited infamy. Bad faith accusations of antisemitism, reliant on obfuscating political dissent with bigotry led to her investigation while reports from news outlets led to her being disinvited from speaking engagements, stalked, and protested. Despite a letter of support from Jewish colleagues that included giants in the field of psychoanalysis, the controversy split the field in two- those who knew her compassionate work on behalf of the oppressed and those who scapegoated her as a danger to psychoanalytic innocence. It is this myth of purity that shapes Lara’s theory and resistance to the veil of mutuality and dialogue, which she contends too often obstructs the very nature of our unequal material realities. Sheehi challenges us to be vigilant towards misrecognition, the not-so-unconscious ways in which we commit to logics of oppression, especially those of us who identify as healers. 

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Episode 59: Bad Faith Alone

Those things we do, to seek connection, being alone together, just the two of you

Live A Little

Let’s Go Sunset Parking

For those who have ever been stuck in a bad pattern. We've all been there.

The Wheel Doesn't Change

Another take on being stuck in a bad pattern, wanting to make that change, but not quite knowing how to make it. 

Is There A Way Out?

Jessica Benjamin joins host John Totten for our season finale. In a wide-ranging conversation [outlined below], the renowned psychoanalyst and theorist reflects on her radical upbringing, the development of recognition theory, and the feminist lens through which she examines our persistent social dilemmas. Why does more civilization seem to generate more problems? Dr. Benjamin’s answer diverges from Freud’s, and her concept of repair exposes how often conformity is entangled with domination. From mundane conventions like parenting roles to the horrors of war and genocide, her concepts illuminate pathways of transformation through multiplicity, challenging the belief that “only one can live.” She proposes that feminism offers a way forward in the clinic and society: a chance to move beyond rigid binaries into “The Third”- a space of mutual recognition, but only if we are first willing to confront the ways we’ve been getting it wrong. 

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1. Biography and Early Curiosities - 13:21
2. Formation of Recognition Theory- 20:25
3. Feminism and Family Roles- 27:30 
4. Oedipus and Gender Binaries- 30:54
5. Reversal and Bourgeois Feminism- 37:42
6. Response to Critiques-42:44
7. Clinical Vignettes of Recognition- 48:35
8. Crossing the Bridge of Difference-54:25
9. The Third, Breakdown, and Repair- 56:05
10. Survivalism and Conflict Resolution- 66:30
11. Infant Studies and Acknowledgement- 74:14
12. Destruction and Play-79:30 
13. Escalation and Unconscious Guilt- 86:54
14. Capitalism and Supremacy- 91:00
16. Hope- 99:30 

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Episode 60: Recognition, In Real Life

Dudley Anderson was born and raised in Johannesburg, South Africa. After graduating from Bible College in 1990, God opened the way for Dudley to branch out into Christian radio. As a musician and worship leader he developed a heart for Christian music, which became the main thrust of his radio work in South Africa. 

 In 1996 God called Dudley and his family to the United Kingdom where he now works as a radio programme producer and presenter. Dudley also writes a FREE weekly e-mail devotional called, GodTracker, available at surereality.net

Dudley Anderson is married to Karen-Leigh and has two adult children, Kerryn and Ryan.

E-mail Dudley at dudley@surereality.net

Eli Wren makes warm, acoustic indie-folk built for open windows and long drives. With fingerpicked guitar, close harmonies, and hand-played percussion, he writes about small moments that carry weight—home, belonging, and second chances. Simple on purpose, generous at heart; for fans of Hollow Coves, Caamp, and Gregory Alan Isakov.

(IYKYK) Unapologetically Me – DJMJK
There are layers to all of us — some hidden, some raw, some on the surface. I’m a Christian with struggles, questions, and a perspective shaped by life’s battles. I don't wish to offend anyone, I aim for integrity. I’m learning to walk in the tension of genuinity — honoring God  and people while staying true to myself. Ill probably post songs that I will delete. 

Music is where I feel. It’s how I process pain, joy, express emotion, and heal. We all consume. We all produce. What I produce is all over the place, some you may consider honorable, and some against your grain. 

I have always written lyrics, played around on guitar and piano,  began making beats in 2018 using Ableton, Soundtrap— just messing around, I like to build melodies, produce, process, and transform sound. I use my voice, instruments, VSTs/plugins, and various AI tools to get the sound where I want it. What you hear isn’t always a raw vocal — or even a voice that exists, but it is a crafted expression. 

I stay up late (all night), I tweak things until I cant take it. These songs come from years of thought and countless nights spent chasing the right feeling. At the end of the day .. they come from the heart SOMEWHERE. Sometimes its an experience, sometimes it imagining the feeling. Sometimes I wake up with a melody and words. Sometimes Im under the medicinal effect of the green leaf and in the shower meeting the fully electric all powerful God!

I make music for me. If it resonates with you, that’s a bonus. If not — you know what to do.

(C) 2025 $CoinBoots Productions | DJMJK

Psychotherapists John Totten and Mason Neely bring you this psychotherapy podcast that explores what is happening between therapists and patients, from both sides of the relationship.

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