This conversation with Suzy’s Matt Britton really rose above the noise and allowed me to look at the financial services industry as an interconnected whole, as a mechanism that is alive and complex. It's the kind of perspective you can lose when you report on niche developments day in and out. 

In this podcast, Britton takes us on a step by step inspection of a lot of the things we have come to take for granted: the rise of BNPL, Gen Z’s complicated relationship with money, and also how AI is going to impact sectors like wealth management and restructure how we recruit, train and strategize around talent. 

Britton is an example of a man that not only has his finger on the pulse but is also able to condense the many and sometimes conflicting signals the market and the industry gives, into a cogent outlook. 

It's a conversation that will urge you to stop and take stock, and one that also spotlights how FIs can make the most of an industry and consumers that are in flux right now.

How FIs can ride the AI wave and build for a fragile customer with Suzy’s CEO Matt Britton

Welcome to the Tearsheet Podcast, where we explore financial services together with an eye on technology, innovation, emerging models, and changing expectations. I’m Tearsheet’s editor in chief, Zack Miller.

Today, we’re joined by Bill Borden, Corporate Vice President, Worldwide Financial Services, at Microsoft, and Suzanne Dann, CEO for the Americas at Wipro. Together, they discuss their collaboration on leveraging Azure OpenAI to enhance generative AI in finance. This partnership focuses on improving customer experiences, streamlining processes, and ensuring responsible AI practices in the financial industry.

As Suzanne puts it, “My role is to help clients digitally transform by bringing together the right industry expertise, technology, and integration experience.” Bill adds, “Our goal at Microsoft is to build products and services that truly meet the unique needs of financial institutions.”

We’ll explore how cognitive assistants, powered by generative AI, are reshaping customer interactions, loan origination, and even the broker experience, all while maintaining a focus on security, reliability, and expanding AI access across the sector.

How Microsoft and Wipro are elevating finserv with responsible AI and cognitive assistants

In the latest episode of Tearsheet's newest podcast, "Compound Influence," hosts Zack Miller and Josh Liggett dive deep into the fascinating world of Wall Street Bets (WSB) and its impact on the financial landscape. This eye-opening discussion explores the intersection of social media, retail investing, and the power of online communities.

The Rise of Wall Street Bets
The hosts trace the origins of WSB, from its humble beginnings in 2012 with just 1,700 followers to its explosive growth to over 17 million members by 2024. This growth trajectory wasn't linear – it saw a massive spike during the GameStop saga in early 2021, catapulting the community into the mainstream spotlight.

The Robinhood Connection
A significant portion of the podcast focuses on the symbiotic relationship between WSB and the trading app Robinhood. The hosts discuss how Robinhood's commission-free trading model and gamified user experience aligned perfectly with WSB's high-risk, high-reward trading philosophy. This partnership inadvertently led to debugging Robinhood's platform and exposing potential exploits.

Impact on the Financial Industry
The discussion highlights how WSB and the GameStop event forced traditional financial institutions to take notice of retail investors' collective power. It led to the emergence of new platforms like Public.com and prompted established players to adapt their strategies.

The WSB Ethos
One of the most intriguing aspects of WSB, as pointed out in the podcast, is its unique culture. Unlike traditional finance forums, WSB embraces transparency about losses, often with self-deprecating humor. This openness creates a sense of community and shared experience among members.

Challenges and Concerns
The hosts don't shy away from addressing the potential dangers of WSB's influence. They discuss how the influx of inexperienced investors armed with partial knowledge can lead to risky behavior and significant financial losses.

Lessons for Financial Institutions
The episode concludes with insights on how established financial institutions might engage with communities like WSB. The hosts emphasize the importance of authentic interaction and warn against attempts to control or manipulate these organic communities.

Compound Influence #3: WallStreetBets

How can FIs step in with solutions that alleviate these pain points, allowing SMBs to concentrate on growing their businesses while relegating banking to the background?

“I think there are a few elements of that, but since SMB customers are willing to adopt technology, that's a start,” said Scott Beyer, U.S. Bank’s Head of Business Banking Digital Experiences during Tearsheet’s The Big Bank Theory Conference, held recently in New York.

Beyers noted that a generational change is underway in the SMB landscape, with 77% of small business owners now adopting or planning to adopt technology to enhance their operational efficiency. This trend presents a valuable opportunity for FIs to enter the scene and create engaging digital experiences that resonate with the evolving needs of these businesses.

He identified three key steps banks can employ to seize the opportunity and address existing gaps: 

1. Ensure the availability of products and services
2. Build integrations
3. Focus on data reconciliation and harmonization

Creating a seamless banking + payments + software experience for SMBs ft. U.S. Bank's Scott Beyer

Generative AI and open banking are beginning to change how banks engage with customers. Today we will look at this process with Olly Downs. He is a Chief Technology and AI Officer at Curinos. With a career spanning three waves of AI, Downs brings a wealth of experience to the table. He published his first academic paper on what we now call generative AI, back in 1999. "I've almost been waiting for the current wave of AI to join us," Downs reflects. He highlights the long-anticipated arrival of today's AI capabilities.

AI-driven personalization will change digital banking. Banks are beginning to use it to recreate the personalized touch of traditional banking. Downs explains, "Traditional banking founded itself on personalized, high-engagement relationships. That followed families and businesses throughout their entire life cycle." Personalizing the online experience is challenging due to the growth of digital channels. Curinos' technology tackles this by analyzing customer journeys. It identifies the best times and ways to engage customers. This ensures that personalization continues in the digital space. The result is a more effective and tailored customer experience.

Generative AI is not just boosting personalization. It addresses the entire marketing cycle for banks. This shift is redefining how banks approach customer engagement. It's enabling and testing tailored interactions with numerous ready-to-use marketing creatives. The impact is both profound and widespread. The blend of personalization with open banking is shaping the future of banking.

How Generative AI is redefining personalization in financial services with Curinos' Olly Downs

In an evolving financial landscape, US Bank has emerged as a leader in digital transformation. It has reshaped the way customers interact with their finances. Today's episode of the Tearsheet podcast features Gareth Gaston, Chief Product Officer of Digital Platforms at US Bank. He discusses the bank's decade-long journey of innovation and customer-centric development.

"We've been on a multi-year journey on digital transformation across all facets that you can think of digital," Gaston explains. This transformation has been more than just a technological upgrade. It's been a cultural shift that has positioned US Bank at the forefront of banking innovation.

The journey began with the recognition that customers were using more than just physical branches. "When we started this journey, we were renting all our digital tools," Gaston recalls. "We didn't have a mobile app. We were kind of renting our online banking and bill pay." 

From these humble beginnings, U.S. Bank has built its own digital platform and in doing so, laid the groundwork for successful future product development. In doing so, it has created award-winning apps and platforms that serve millions of customers.

Here’s my conversation with U.S. Bank’s Gareth Gaston.

How U.S. Bank is reinventing itself for the digital age with CPO of Digital Platforms, Gareth Gaston

Is the promise of Web3 in finance finally coming to fruition, or are we still in the early stages of a long journey from Bitcoin to tokenized assets? 

As the cryptocurrency and Bitcoin market evolves, Bitcoin's price swings draw attention. Traditional banks explore blockchain cautiously. People are curious about the current stage of Web3 development. The question remains: where are we on the timeline?

Today's episode of the Tearsheet podcast features Rumi Morales. She is a partner and board member at Outlier Ventures. She discusses the current state and future potential of Web3 in the financial sector. Morales brings extensive experience from her roles at CME Group, Digital Currency Group, and Goldman Sachs.

Morales reflects on her decade-long journey in the cryptocurrency and Bitcoin space. She shares, "I would have answered this question a lot better 10 years ago when I first got into the space. I think I was full of hope and excitement and a lot of ambition." Her perspective offers a nuanced view of the industry's progress. She recognizes the progress and challenges of Web3 technologies in achieving mainstream adoption.

As the discussion unfolds, Morales provides valuable insights into the current state of Web3. She discusses the role of decentralization. She elaborates on the potential for blockchain technology to reshape traditional financial services. Her position bridges traditional finance and emerging technologies. This gives readers a well-rounded view of the future of digital assets and decentralized systems.

The Big Ideas

Morales emphasizes the importance of data ownership and privacy in the Web3 ecosystem. She states, "I do think when it comes to data and data ownership and privacy and individual rights, this idea that humans and individuals should be owning their data. And not giving it away to centralized entities is becoming more and more and more important."

There is tension between centralization and decentralization (such as with Bitcoin) in the Web3 space. Morales notes, "The question is, is that theory of decentralization ever gonna take over centralization? The jury is completely out for me on that one." This observation highlights a fundamental challenge in the Web3 ecosystem. It is balancing the ideals of decentralization with practical implementation and human nature.

Web3 startups face significant hurdles when trying to collaborate with traditional financial institutions. These challenges stem from mismatches in resources, bureaucracy, and operational timelines. Morales explains, "Many times to get that contract signed, it has to go through how many layers of checks. And you're just hoping that they don't run out of money to get something done to prove that you can do this."

 Accelerators are essential for nurturing Web3 innovation by supporting early-stage startups. This highlights the importance of investing in startups. Morales explains the role of Outlier Ventures in this ecosystem. She says, "We've probably accelerated around over 200 companies at this point, helping them in their earliest stages of growth. So these are pre-seed or seed stage companies."

Tokenization of real-world assets represents a promising area for convergence between Web3 and traditional finance. Morales states, "That is around being able to tokenize most anything. It doesn't have to be a traditional security in the stock or bond sense of things."

From Bitcoin to Tokenized Assets: A roadmap for Web3 in finance with Rumi Morales

Franklin bridges the gap between Web3 and traditional finance, rethinking how businesses manage payroll and payments. Today’s podcast features Megan Knab, Franklin’s CEO. She shares insights into the transformative role of blockchain in financial operations. She has a vision: leveraging blockchain to modernize payroll and financial tools. Megan has a rich fintech background comprised of roles at Serotonin, DriveWealth, and Veriledger.

As an accountant by trade, Megan is no stranger to navigating financial systems. She became passionate about blockchain in business school after discovering an accounting fraud at work. “Public blockchains,” she recalls, “have the power to create an open financial system.”  

Megan founded Franklin two years ago to simplify financial operations for Web3 businesses. She focuses on making finance easier and more efficient. She notes, “Anyone who’s used payroll software in the last 10 years knows it can be an antiquated experience.” Franklin integrates both fiat and on-chain payment capabilities. This strategy allows it to operate in both Web3 and traditional finance. As a result, Franklin is carving out a unique niche in both areas.

Crypto and financial tools  
Megan highlights blockchain’s potential to enhance back-office operations for B2B organizations. She notes, “Stablecoins can leapfrog current payroll technologies by facilitating faster payments.” She also explains that blockchain’s immutability ensures greater accuracy in financial reporting. This also builds trust in the data. “By using public ledgers, businesses can reduce errors and streamline audits. This creates efficiencies that traditional systems struggle to match,” Megan adds.

Blockchain’s ability to integrate with existing payment systems is driving innovation. This is creating new financial tools for modern business needs.

Tax compliance and crypto  
One of Franklin’s standout features is its focus on tax compliance. Megan explains, “We build tools that ensure every transaction adheres to federal and state regulations.”  She emphasizes that Franklin’s proactive approach simplifies navigating the regulatory maze. “With over 675 tax jurisdictions in the U.S., automation is critical for ensuring accurate reporting. And avoiding costly errors,” Megan notes. This commitment makes Franklin a trusted partner for businesses handling complex payroll systems.

Decentralized finance for B2B
Megan believes decentralized finance (DeFi) has practical use cases for businesses. ” We’re helping companies operate seamlessly in fiat and crypto. Whether it is multi-currency payroll or international remittances,” she says. 

She also highlights the cost advantages of DeFi. “Businesses can reduce transaction fees and enhance payment speed. It does so by eliminating intermediaries. These are critical factors for today’s global operations,” Megan explains.

Early Wage Access without loans
Franklin’s approach to early wage access differs from traditional models. Megan critiques typical earned wage access programs as “modern payday lending”. She advocates for faster money movement using stablecoins instead. She adds, “Why burden employees with hidden loan agreements when we can facilitate instant payouts?” This method empowers workers and also minimizes administrative overhead for businesses. Franklin uses stablecoins to provide an alternative to outdated payroll systems. This creates more flexibility for both employers and employees.

The Path Forward: Privacy and adoption of crypto
For broader blockchain adoption, Megan identifies a need for privacy technologies. “Financial institutions will continue experimenting rather than integrating. This will happen until we address privacy concerns.” she asserts.

Web3 companies need payroll: Franklin CEO Megan Knab discusses blockchain’s role in finance

Coast stands out in fintech with its interactive API demos.

Kara Parkey, head of strategic accounts at Coast, shares insights on the Tearsheet podcast as to why her firm is working with many of the best fintech brands. It’s that Coast visually simplifies the complexity of API products, making their service essential in today’s fast-changing financial world.

Coast lets users view APIs in action, making vendor and partner presentations interactive. It turns static PowerPoints into dynamic, live experiences. According to Kara, “It’s like seeing APIs come to life.” This is especially valuable for fintech companies focused on the API economy and open banking. It resonates with those driving innovation in these areas.

How Coast pioneers API demos in fintech
Kara explains that Coast’s demos are not just about showcasing APIs. They are about transforming how potential clients experience them. Traditionally, fintech companies relied on static prototypes or lengthy technical documentation. Coast provides a live demo environment. Kara describes it as “a unique URL branded for the client.” This allows users to interact with the APIs in a realistic setting. This approach is especially appealing in fintech, where embedded finance is becoming more common, aligning with the growing trend in the industry.

Impact on sales cycle and Time to Value
One of the significant advantages Coast offers is the reduction of time of the sales cycle. Kara highlights a case study with Sardine, where Coast helped cut the sales cycle by 20% to 25%. This efficiency comes from cutting down the time needed to build demos. It also gives account executives a tool to easily explain complex APIs. As a result, the process is faster and simpler. “It’s huge for embedded technology,” Kara emphasizes. She points out how it aids in reaching both technical and non-technical buyers.

Facilitating API integration and onboarding
Coast’s technology also simplifies the onboarding process, enabling clients to get up and running swiftly. Kara notes that while typical onboarding can take 30 days to 60 days, some clients go live within a week. Coast enables quick setup by using existing API documentation. Companies can import their APIs and build stories around them easily. No deep technical integration is required.

How Coast meets the needs of Financial Institutions
As Open Banking and Section 1033 expand, financial institutions are updating their APIs. The pressure to upgrade is increasing. Kara mentions that Coast is actively engaging with banks to help them “increase adoption of their APIs and make it more scalable.” The ability to visualize complex data flows in a secure environment is crucial for banks. It helps them navigate these new regulatory landscapes.

Ensuring security and compliance within Coast
Security is paramount in the fintech industry. Kara says that Coast takes this seriously. Coast reduces compliance risks by serving as a visual overlay instead of storing sensitive information. This approach minimizes data security concerns. Kara states, “We are your API documentation, just a visual representation.” She says that Coast’s solutions integrate without compromising data integrity.

Why Coast's live API demos matter in fintech feat. Kara Parkey

Launching a startup is challenging. It becomes even more difficult when tackling personal and business finances that confound entrepreneurs. Enter Uprise, the brainchild of Jessica Chen Riolfi and her co-founders. Uprise offers human-driven financial advisory services embedded into small business (SMB) platforms, like banks or personal finance sites.

Uprise addresses the unique financial needs of entrepreneurs which include dealing with personal and professional cashflow. Jessica has extensive experience from companies like Robinhood, Earnin, Wise, and eBay. This background drives her approach to financial services.

Jessica shares, “Financial advisory, in this context, combines personal and business finances. It helps entrepreneurs make holistic financial decisions.” Lack of personalized financial advisory services at Robinhood inspired the genesis of Uprise, especially for SMBs. Jessica shares a passion for simplifying financial products with her co-founders Chris and Nantha. Together, they work to make financial solutions more accessible, bridging the gap between business and personal finance for small business owners.

Uprise initially targeted Gen Z and millennials but quickly pivoted to focus on older SMB owners. This shift met the growing demand for comprehensive financial advice. It specifically targeted consultants, freelancers, and creators. “The small business world is one where personal and financial lives are intermingled,” Jessica notes. She underscores the intricate needs of her firm’s clientele.

The genesis of Uprise
Uprise emerges from a vision shared by Jessica and her co-founders, Chris and Nantha. They noticed the gap in financial advisory services for SMBs, where personal and business finances often overlap. As Jessica puts it, “We help them make financial decisions. And we kind of ignore the line between business and personal.” This approach recognizes the unique needs of entrepreneurs.

Role of embedded finance in Small Business growth
Embedded finance is at the core of Uprise’s model. It is integrated into SMB platforms and Jessica explains, “Every small business owner interacting with our platform is assigned a human advisor.” This strategy not only builds trust but also addresses the specific financial advisory needs of SMBs. It offers a personalized experience. Jessica highlights the importance of understanding the distinct needs of different SMB sectors.

For example, therapists using the vertical SaaS platform, Heard, prioritize personal relationships. This prompted Uprise to offer more direct communication channels like Zoom calls. “Calls matter a lot to therapists,” Jessica observes. She illustrates Uprise’s adaptability to various client preferences.

Financial planning for entrepreneurs
Uprise has tailored its services to the intricate financial landscapes faced by entrepreneurs. Jessica emphasizes the importance of understanding personal and business finances. She highlights how they are interconnected. She offers advice on entity setup, retirement account options, and mortgage applications. “These are business-related questions, but they very much impact their finances,” Jessica emphasizes. She highlights Uprise’s holistic approach.

Building successful partnerships with SMB platforms
Uprise’s success is intertwined with its partnerships, where Jessica sees a collaborative effort. She notes, “It’s very much a revenue driver for our partners, who are SMB platforms.” Uprise customizes its offerings to meet the unique needs of each platform. This ensures that both partners and end users enjoy their financial advisory services.

Uprise makes entrepreneurial finance simple feat. CEO Jessica Chen Riolfi

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